[Hilly]

Pens of what? Growth? Insulin?

Insulin IMO is fine for much longer – Once the GH is mixed I would want to use it within 1 month for sure

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its all the same stuff – makes no difference.

Pens are simply easier

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There is lots of content on this on YouTube you can learn from if you can’t afford courses, your coach should be educating you as much as possible & be your own bodybuilding coach by Scott Stevenson is great.

Anything above and beyond that you’ll have to pay for unfortunately.

Fully agree with Kuba here.

I would look to watch alot of Scott Stevenson YouTube / podcasts
I would buy his book.

Then I would join a library, uni library and absorb all the biomechanics, biology, physiology books you can first and then look to PED information.

the more you understand about the human body, how it works and how you are looking to manipulate things to your benefit the more it will all make sense IMO.

Way to many people watch and try to learn application without understanding the actual workings within the body

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What’s your rest day diet looking like now boss? Condition is getting better and better every day. Buzzing to see you on stage

Cheers becky – Rest days are now pretty extreme – todays for example

1 – 300g egg whites, 1 egg and 50g oats
2 – 8oz cooked white fish and 100g cooked jasmine rice
3 – 8oz fillet steak with veg – this is usually very lean ground beef but I took the girls out for lunch for charls birthday
4 – 8oz cooked white fish and 100g cooked jasmine rice
5 – 8oz cooked turkey and veg
6 – 8oz cooked white fish and veg –

Hunger isn’t to bad because protein is very high.

Cardio this morning – 30 minutes HR 130 plus BPM plus abs and posing

Steps 14-15k

I have felt pretty dead all day today – everything just feels hard work

On we go

weight today post high day – 207.25lb so a 2lb gain

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The tests were at 8:30am both times. I use Layne Norton’s Carbon app for all macro adjustments its 180p, 263c, 50f per day on average.

I did hurt my knee, which has caused me to skip legs the past two weeks and got an MRI today. I believe they will have to drain my knee of fluid but won’t know for sure until Tuesday. I suppose that has been stressful/put me in a bad mood.

But I don’t have any signs of low T otherwise. Libido good, actually still taking progressions in training, etc.

it may very well be stress related. I would retest again in 5-6 weeks

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Not a huge concern but not ideal either.

I would be looking to work on improving this through things such as diet manipulation (more good fats) making sure I am not over training, taking solid health supplements and a potential natural booster like TBJP natural stack

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TBH this doesnt make any sense to me,

Your ALT went from 93 ons arms to 350 off them.

When did you check it on the arms – mid cycle? End of cycle?

Could possibly be stress built up over time and ALT kept trending up during the cycle maybe?

Confuses me as well mate. It was 93 at peak cycle on the 8th week of 15mg. Only thing I changed after I stopped rad was added cirrus in for joints and reduced NAC from 1800 to 600. I wonder if I reduced NAC to soon while rad was still in the system.

Have you seen it this high on peak steroid cycles?[/quote]
yes and higher with the odd person.

ive also seen people not related to this game within a medical setting with numbers of 5-700

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Hi, who is she competing with and do they not offer a tanning service ? I would usually favour this personally unless you have had a bad experience with it in terms of how it takes to skin.

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3 to 500 kcal a week until maintenance and work from there. Steps wise decrease by 5k then 10 over a few weeks

agree with this.

if i am at 1500kcal and 20k stteps my first move is likely 2000kcal and 15k steps. – for a few days and gauge response unless as Kuba states in show condition and can be more aggressive

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If this is your first time using I would not be recommending this.

I would be opting for post workout use with a shake – protein and fast carbs.

As you will be waking depleted and going into the workout the chances of hypo during the workout will be much greater IME

Cheers Peter, how soon from finishing your workout would you have the shot of insulin and would you have a meal quite soon after the initial shake also? [/quote]

[/quote]

Just re-listened to your voice note I think I misunderstood so I’ve deleted my initial reply,

So you would still recommend eating pre gym something easy like Sas has suggested, followed by intra carbs and the post workout shake, but the only difference you would do is have the shot of insulin post not pre?

If I’m having it pre do I have to be worried about my meal after the post workout meal or would I be covered by the post workout shake and meal?

If you were adding Lantus & GH to this at what point would you do these GH upon wake and Lantus with M1 after the PWO shake? [/quote]

[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, I’m working my way through Vigorous Steve’s insulin guide to educate myself and I know in layman’s terms the purpose of using Insulin it’s just he doesn’t touch on using insulin in the scenario I was planning on but you have really helped. I’m not planning on using it until my next push in 4 weeks, so I’ll have plenty of time to learn all about it, thank you again for your help! [/quote]

my pleasure bud [/quote]

Hey Peter,

I hope you don’t mind but I thought I’d reply back on here rather than start a new thread for the same topic!

So for my pre, intra & post workout shake I was planning on using HBCD carbs, but after doing some reading I was wondering if Dextrose carbs would be better suited for post workout with my shot of insulin?

Which type of carb would you recommend for the pre shake? (around 15 mins before training) cheers![/quote]

In truth what ever digests best and is within your budget.

For me I find dextrose very sweet and it hits my BG hard

malto seems to knock my digestion

To much cyclic dextrin also knocks my digestion.

So I personally dont favour a pre shake.

i will have a TBJP COR meal around 90 minutes pre and then hit my slin 15 minutes pre workout -I then have a shake that consists of 50-75g cyclic dextrin I sip throughout the workout – this is fine for me in terms of digestion and covers the insulin.

I will then either use rice based cereal or rice flakes or more COR PWO and again this covers me fine

When needing more carbs I actually tend to use sweets like dolly mixture pre or post – these digest super quick, taste nice and cause me no issues but this is only when carbs are very high [/quote]

Thanks mate, I’ll give your set up a go and combine the pre & intra shake, so I’m not setting off to the gym with 3 shakers! When its necessary to use Nova post workout, is there a benefit to using it straight after finishing training with a protein & carb shake or will you get the same effect driving home, eating and using insulin with that meal around 25 mins after you finished the workout? [/quote]
again depends what you are trying to do and what you have done before.

Arguably if you have hit a fast slin shot pre workout and your workout lasts 90 minutes then your still getting the effects from the pre gym one so waiting till you get home to have it may make more sense.

if you have your pre slin 30 minutes before and train for 2 hours plus and the drive home is long then you may want to have it in the gym.

Personally for me I feel if one is taking it pre workout then there is no rush to have the PWO dose in the gym so no overlap – that is my train of thought/theory.

However some one like Milos who is without argument the man to bring this sort of thing to BB and perfect it with all the results to prove he will have you dosing with the pre shake and post shake I believe from stuff I have seen.

It again comes down to what do you think makes sense, what you try and works best for you and your own situation.

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Sat – Weight 205.25lb – Still not dropping down but defo getting dryer/harder so no issues.

High day today but a reduced high day. Looked liked this.

Meal 1 – 300g egg whites, 120g TBJP COR
Meal 2 – pre gym – 150g carbs from muffins and TBJP vegan protein – I have been having a 300g carb meal here so this was reduced but the muffins even tho free from were a bad move and gave me very bad gas all afternoon – so no more.
Meal 3 – PWO – TBJP vegan protein and 125g COR with 100g banana and 20g jam
Meal 4 – 125g cooked fish and 300g cooked jasmine rice
Meal 5 – 125g cooked chicken, 200g cooked jasmine rice and 1 free from flat bread – its charl birthday so we got a take away and this fit nicely –
meal 6 – 125g cooked chicken and 300g cooked jasmine rice.

Hunger has been very high
Been kicking water out hard all day.

Trained back with 2 clients – had much more energy than last weeks session with it being a high day and strength was decent.

All hard heavy work sets listed

Atlantis pull down – x 8, x 8F with 2 drop sets
seated lat focus row – x 6, x 6, x 8F –
1 arm dead stop row – x 8, x 8, x 8F
Chest supported upper back row – x 12, x 12, x9F
neutral grip pull down – x 15, x 14F
V grip cable row – x 14, x 12F

So overall volume a little lower and rep range is also lower – this is to save energy during the workout as well as allow me to keep the load a little heavier

posing after

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Sorry I think I worked that wrong.

What I was meaning is – there are people that do it – DC training and thus it does work -its just not something I would favour – when I did it with Scott everything wasn’t a rest pause set even tho he was the only official DC trainer at the time.

You have 5 exercises in a workout – 10 minutes test plus the work sets – surely these are not taking longer than 90 minutes? How long do you have?

is it a time issue?

Again going back to what I said about what Jordan keeps saying.

why do you feel you need 2 sets initially? Why do you feel you need 2 failure points initially – if your putting that much into your sets you need 5 minutes to recover then maybe thats a sign your doing enough with the 1 set?

Why not start with 1 set for each exercise – make noted and monitor progress

then do a phase were you try 2 sets

Then drop back to 1 set

then try the rest pause sets

Drop back

make notes -see what works best, did both work well and you have created a system for yourself? Did you enjoy 1 more than the other and thus prefer that approach ?

Or as in your other thread you could just follow Jordans workout as he laid it out – he is a master as this stuff in reality so to want to follow what he does but then change it makes little sense to me if im honest.

the same as referencing Dc training yet wanting to then change the way the rest pause is.

My main question would be – why are you not wanting to do the systems that are proven to work and designed by 2 of the most knowledgable people on training within BB on the planet potentially – both with proven results in there own physiques and many many clients ?

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Post workout snaps

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How hard did you cut food during this phase? Did you drastically lower fats?

did you take the blood at the same time of day etc as there can be fluctuations I believe? Were you any more stressed or run down etc?

Im just trying to think of any external factors?

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TBH this doesnt make any sense to me,

Your ALT went from 93 ons arms to 350 off them.

When did you check it on the arms – mid cycle? End of cycle?

Could possibly be stress built up over time and ALT kept trending up during the cycle maybe?

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