[Hilly]

Friday – Weight – 211.4lb – new low

Look is better again.

all on point as usual

On wake – steps – abs – glutes/adductors – Posing

Trained chest and additional shoulders in hotel gym as super busy work day today and wanted a little time with the girls in the pool.

Training – work sets listed

Cable cross over – x 15, x 15, x 12F, x 8F
Seated chest press – 3 second negative – x 10, x 10, x 8F, x 6F, x 12F, x 18F
Fly press machine – x 8, x 8, x 8F, x 12F
Decline cable – x 12, x 12F

1 arm cable lateral raise – x 20, x 17F, x 14F, 11F with partials.
Db laterals – run the rack – 4 sets up and 4 sets down – Reps 8-12

Not a bad session at all and pump was once again great.

check in 2moro. – these are every other day more or less now.

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[Hilly]

so it usually takes 4-6 weesk for the drugs to completely leave the system – was the recent dosing cycle or cruise before you came off completely?

Ideally I would want to see LH, FSH, test, free test and E2 numbers so we can asses how your body is working fully. These numbers are all important and I cant see them here just testosterone

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[Hilly]

What’s your routine like? Do you have set consistent eating times? Are you managing your fatigue, recovery, sleep?

What’s body composition like currently?

What’s your current cycle? Is there anything PED wise that could be causing this?

Im normally up around 8am, for uni. I don’t tend to eat at uni because I just have back to back lectures and then I go train so I have a shake in the morning then 2-3 big meals when I get home + 1 more shake about 1 hour before bed.

My fatigue is quite high at the moment I have a fair bit of muscle pain especially in my back so i plan on taking a devolume week this coming week.

My sleep is quite inconsistent, sometimes I’ll get 8-9 hours and other times I’ll get 3-4 hours. Most of the times when I sleep that little it’s because I stayed up to get my meals in and had to get up for uni the next day.

My body fat % is quite high I’d say about 20-25%. I posted some physique shots about 2 weeks ago on the diet forum I can take some more and post if you’d like to see. I was advised to pull back from there and that was the plan however I’ve had a messy last 2 weeks but I haven’t gained any more weight I’ve just maintained. I will go into a deficit now.

I don’t use any PEDs yet. I feel like my diet is too inconsistent to make the transition.

Thank you for the reply![/quote]
For me it sounds like your focus needs to be on this stuff first.

Get a solid routine established with wake and bed times getting good sleep.

Get your body at down to a good level.

make sure to drop fatigue and not let it build up moving forward as this won’t help the anxiety at all IME

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[Hilly]

Ideally we would be trying to avoid AI use unless it was totally needed and again that comes down to individual response and then you start with the smallest dose possible and asses

IME most will be totally fine on the above ratios especially if body fat is in check and a solid injection frequency is carried out

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[Hilly]

So this is completely person depending and something you need to work out.

I would first leave out the tren and find out what dose of test/mast controls E2 well for you personally. As adding tren will skew bloods and make it hard to get a solid read if you do get issues.

If you wanted potential numbers right now – I would be going 300mg test, 5-600mg mast and 100-200mg tren with 25mg proviron daily.

split the injects MWF or even micro dose daily to better hormone balance.

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[Hilly]

thurs – Weight 212.4lb so a 0.6lb gain from high day yesterday – Body just burned through it and the look today was better again

Rest day today

All meals in

Morning walk/abs/posing done.

Busy work day

out to catch up with haider and Harley which was great tonight.

2moro is chest/shoulders – We grind on

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[Hilly]

Read the PCt sticky at the very top of this section of the forum bud – Doctor Deans protocol is very good IMO

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[Hilly]

based on these pictures you do need more of everything however legs look a stronger point in comparison to upper.

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[Hilly]

have you monitored these waves to try and find a link to them ? Are you taking any AAs ?

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with Kuba here.

I think you are better off changing to anavar – Winstrol is a unique compound that does bring benefits but only when super super lean IME and most won’t ever get to that stage as its pre show body fat levels.

I would switch to anavar

Hi Peter, when would you advise on utilising anavar on a cutting phase? I’m currently only 2 weeks in. Should I hold out for abit longer? And what dosage would you advise? Currently running on a mild 300mg test e only.[/quote]
When your getting lean and pushing that bit harder – Start to see performance take a hit or seems as its going to.

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[Hilly]

Wed – New low today – 211.8lb

High day and legs and my birthday which was great to spend it here in the sun with the girls.

Out for a Nice walk around the palm with them this morning – after my morning walk and posing.

worked 10-2 – Trained 2-5 – then we went out for food with friends.
Worked 9 till 11 and now bed.

Legs was a fantastic sessions.

1 leg ham curls – x 10, x 10, x 9F, x 6F – all done with a pause in contraction
Extensions – all straight sets – x 10, x 10, x 10, x 9F, x 15F
Leg press with 3 second negative – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 8, x 6F, x 14F, x 20F – these just felt wicked so kept going.
1 leg leg press – x 10, x 10, x 9F – done with a 3 second true negative
Seated ham curls – x 20, x 15F, x 12F – awful kit so kept reps higher
Adductors – x 15, x 12F, x 9F with a drop set

Job done – felt fantastic throughout.

Meal plan today

1 – 300g egg whites, 75g Cor, 75g carbs from bagel and jam.
2 – 140g cooked chicken, 350g cooked jasmine rice
3 – pre gym – 30g protein beef iso, 100g COR and 75g carbs from bagel and jam.
Intra -25g carbs
PWO – vegan protein, banana/dates/COr 100g
5 – 140g cooked chicken, 350g cooked jasmine rice
Meal 6 – flank steak from restaurant with carrots and then 350g cooked jasmine rice.

Weight pre bed is up just 1lb on last night so have really burned through all of this.

Lets see what 2moro brings

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[Hilly]

How long ago was the switch – The test and deca combination will of been driving E2 high which then drives prolactin up.

Were you getting high E2 sides? Bar the bad feeling and anxious ?

I would say you need to consider your are E2 sensitive and re adjust your cycles in the future – potentially look to test/primo or test/mast and see how you feel and how bloods look.

Then if you wish look at adding low dose NPP to these but in truth you should be able to get all you want our of those drugs unless looking to really push your physique. –

I switched & pinned around 3/4 days prior to blood results.

On reflection i’d say yeah, im definitely E2 sensitive & have always found it hard managing sides when running even low/moderate test.

How would you ratio test/primo or mast per say? & would you drop the tren?[/quote]
I would drop the test down to 300mg, I would remove the tren and bring in mast at 300mg – I would sit here for 5-6 weeks and retest hormones to get a clear picture of were this puts you and then asses from here based on these numbers – how you feel/look and what current goals are

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[Hilly]

So you defo want to cut here, There is alot of midsection fat and distention telling me you may very well have some insulin resistance issues.

Due to this I think keto/low carb approach initially would actually be a good idea for you.

I would be looking to check what your fasted BG is – maybe run some bloods.

I would be hitting quite a hard cut here and focus on dropping a high chunk of fat – get that midsection sorted and the whole body in a much better place.

Then from there transition to a growth phase with a focus on staying lean and building up to were you want to be.

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[Hilly]

More drugs will always give more results through several pathways – It just doesn’t need to be higher doses.

As Kiera states every one should be able to cut efficiently on low dose drugs and if its just a cut you are doing then there is little need to push things.

For most of my clients looking to cut I simply use a low normal dose of test and mast 9/10 times – the mast controls E2 and helps increase free testosterone. These things will put the body in a more effective place to cut and retain muscle tissue.

Now if you wanted to enhance this a tad there are options.

Low dose var will help – 20-30mg pre workout.

Low dose tren – 100-150mg per week – a more advanced option IMO.

What you have to consider is what is the long term goal – As if your cutting to then grow you dont want to create toxicity and stress the body now so you cant cycle/push a little more when your done cutting and want to grow.

If your goal for the cycle is to get all body fat off and then end there then you may want to push a little more.

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[Hilly]

Tuesday – weight held this morning

On wake – Steps/abs/posing.

all meals in.

Trained arms and touch up lats – Was a very good session – huge pump which is surprising at this stage but very happy all the same.

V grip push down SS Db hammer curls – 4 x 12-15 -failure on last 2

1 arm Bicep curl to forehead – x 10, x 10F, x 12F
1 arm Tri push down – x 15, x 11F, x 8F

Dual cable curls – x 10, x 10F, x 8F
Oh rope extensions – x 15, x 13F, x 10F

Normal Db curls SS with Rope PD – done with no rest between all sets – 3 x 10-12

Overhand grip pull downs to chest – x 12, x 12, x 11F, x 9F, x 15F

More posing –

Legs 2moro and a high day – Carbs have been dumped again on high day.

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