[Hilly]

i cant see the bloods- could you repost or type out please

i posted a link to view the full results.

My test is 1080 total, 44 free

E2 is 27

Shbg is crushed ay 7.9

Lh & Fh are almost non existent

I assume the low labido is due to the low shbg and low e2 as Kuba stated.

Seeing the shbg so low would you guys still recommend raising the test and dropping the primo a little? Or should I just drop the primo all together?

I also considered moving from daily micro injections to a m/w/f protocol. Maybe both?

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I agree with kuba here 100%

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[Hilly]

very much depends on body composition to me and how this is changing.

If your still looking real lean and thats not changing to much then let it ride.

if your noticeably loosing detail fast then I would be tempted to slow things down a tad.

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If your injection frequency is high enough you just switch, you won’t get any swing at all, micro dose pins daily with smaller shots and it literally won’t make any difference at all

Thank you! So generally more frequent shots no matter the ester are more healthy and keep the test in the system basically in the same spot right?

All I hear around me how E should be pinned every 4 days and actually here and on fouad’s podcast I heard about those micro pins for the first time so that created a lil confusion [/quote]
I really dislike the every 4 day approach and fully agree with Kuva here.

For myself and clients I prefer a MWF or EOD approach unless some one is really E2 sensitive then we look at daily smaller dosing

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[Hilly]

Sounds like you are not going deep enough to me TBH – try using a 1 inch orange pin

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Friday – Awfully busy day today with work – i have no idea why it ran like this – to many clients randomly changing there check in day and people talking to me in David Lloyds while I was working was likely the factor here.

All meals in
Steps/abs/glutes/hams and posing all done

trained chest/touch up delts in a commercial gym close to home as charl was going out so I had to be back to have Arilena.

all sets are work sets

Pec dec – x 12, x 12, x 9F, x 12F
machine press – x 8, x 8, x 8, x8F, x 6F, x 12F
Flat plate loaded press. X 15, x 15, x 14F, x 12F

Standing Db laterals – 8 x 10 with 30 seconds rest between sets
Cable 1 arm lateral raise – x 15F, x 12F

little rushed but it is what it is.

I really need to get some additional sleep this weekend.

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[Hilly]

i cant see the bloods- could you repost or type out please

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personally I would have you at 220ish grams but this would be depending on total kcal needs – if you need more overall cals then protein may end up higher

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Thursday – Rest day and check in with AJ – Weight 221 – up 2-3lb –

No changes to food
Still no morning cardio – just the abs/posing and glutes/hams.
Pm walk now in – 30 minutes or so outside.
Drugs as is
Clen back in

check In Wednesday next week,

Rest day today, all meals in. Good day overall

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Nothing bud – tiny bit of Pip but nothing major and common in most properly dosed test IME TBH

I asked because I had been getting irritation but had been using 1/2in slin pins, just weren’t deep enough. I had some 3/4in needles which I used for shot on Monday & seems the depth has helped. Have ordered some 1in oranges for future shots. Got quite worried at first as did a quad & delt shot both of which left lump & pain. Subq oil not for me it seems. [/quote]
it seems to be that way for alot of people IME unless using very small amounts – such as 0.1iu of oil per subq site.

1 inch ones are the way to go IMO or 3/4

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Is 20 mcg of clen too low?

Not if dosed correctly but alot of the time i will just go in at 40mcg as alot of tablets claim to be this dose these days. its only the original pharma that comes in 20mcg and these are faked alot IME.

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your list looks bang on to me

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As above you defo need to get blood work done and check what is going on. Minimum full hormone panel

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Hello bud

I see no issues running the test for 20 weeks as at this dose the chances of any negative sides are super slim.

However if sleep is being impacted quite bad and this could be effecting progress I would be tempted to drop to a cruise / Trt based on this.

Address the sleep apnea issue so it’s not an issue moving forward.

Use this time to solidify the tissue added while correcting sleep issues.

From here it may be worth a tidy up and then pushing on. If your prone to sleep issues getting heavier from here may make them worse if you can’t find the issue.

Thanks Peter, appreciated. So using what both yourself and Louis have said, I think my plan will be:

TRT for the next 3 weeks which takes me to 20 weeks on my 1st cycle. Then come off entirely for 4 weeks to have a full clear out. Then run blood work and see how it’s looking.

Immediately (tomorrow) drop to maintenance calories for that 3 week period to solidify gains, then run a short tidy up and assess everything before pushing up slowly again.

Bought a new pillow yesterday and some snoreeze spray and nasal strips and had best nights sleep in ages so fingers crossed.

Hope I’ve interrupted everything ok with the short term plan? [/quote]
Issues with this.

Coming off everything and then testing at week 4 tells you nothing as the drugs may still be in system or if not you will just be showing likely a crashed hormonal system.

If you are coming off all then it makes sense to run a Pct and recovery the hpta axis and thus you would be looking at a 4 week clear out period, 4-6 weeks PCT and then checking bloods here.

I would not be trying to tidy up during this process either if you decide to do this.

Now if you just dropped to a TRT dose putting you at the top end of normal I would then use this period to solidify gains – 6-8 weeks minimum and keep food at a level that holds weight as best as possible and strength as much as possible.

Then look to tidy up.

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i have seen were people take it with the post post meal and i can see the logic behind it.

I would say it really debates on were you are dosing pre workout and how long your workout is.

If you only train for 60-90 minutes and you take it 15 minutes pre then I would say there is good argument to take it with a post post meal if the initial meal PWO is super fast acting.

for example.

Pre slin 15 minutes
Train 75-90 minutes and then smash a meal in gym –
Then eat again 60 minutes later.

Now if you tend to train 120 minutes and take the pre slin 30 minutes which is more common I find then taking it with that post workout meal would make more sense.

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Wednesday – no high day just normal meal plan and legs

No cardio again.

Busy work day.

Legs

Seated ham curl – 3 second negative with a pause in contraction – x 12, x 10, x 6F with a drop set
Extensions – as above – x 12, x 10, x 9F with partials
Leg press banded – x 15, x 15, x 12F, x 9F
Pendulum – x 10, x 10 – Still playing with these to see how lower back holds up.
Lay ham curls – x 15, x 11F, x 9F
split squats – x 10, x 10, x 8F –
1 leg ham curls – x 8, x 8, x7F
Adductor – x 14F, x 12F – done with a pause in contraction.

felt great today from waking at 5 throughout. Very happy overall. Legs was fun in a brutal kind of way.

Lots of time wth Arilena this morning and after nursery which always puts me in a good mood.

Check in 2moro and these are now weekly

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