[Hilly]

Saturday

Cardio done
All meals in

Was very tired as the day went on for some reason

Trained back with 2 clients. My bad shoulder made this extremely painful n I’ve hurt my back which I think is linked

Nothing major like

Session

Cable pull over – 3 x 12 – warm ups
Hoist pull down – 3 x 10-12
1 arm HS pull down – 2 x 8-12, 1 x 13
Chest supported row – x 8, x6f, x 13f
Low lat focused row – 3 x 10-12
Upper back cable row – 4 x 8-12
Shrugs – 3 x 15

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[Hilly]

How long have you been on

How old are you

are you using any HCG

I have only done two cycles and been on for few months, I am 25 [/quote]
I would get some HCG

run 1000iu EOD from week 6 of nothing for 10 jabs total
Then 50mg clomid daily for 30 days and nolvadex 20mg for the same 30 days

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[Hilly]

This is a terrible cycle IMO.

Obviously we do not know anything about you so its hard to say what doses are relevant.

I see no reason for that dose of EQ at all.

I see no reason why you would run it for just 4 weeks – yes it would potentially add some AI benefit for the remainder but that dose is huge for that benefit alone.

Switching from slow Deca to fast deca also makes no sense to me. Yes there could be a reason of allowing it to leave the system quicker but this makes little sense to me with these doses and time frame.

Bringing tren in while running Deca/NPP is a very toxic/stressful mix and I see zero need for it – will bring about much more negatives than posives.

Winstrol in a gaining phase is IMO a terrible move due to its impact on joints/tendons and bringing 0 that the other drugs are not already doing.

Just running that dose of proviron for that period of time makes 0 sense.

So to me this is not a great cycle at all, I could make an argument for some of it if I was trying to but it would be a poor one and I would not recommend doing this at all.

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[Hilly]

Very person depending.

Eq is very good at controlling E2 in general and I am a fan of using it for that. However how much you need specifically on this set up is very individual to you.

Only way to find out is to run this for 6 weeks and then check bloods and see how you feel/look/respond to this set up

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[Hilly]

fully agree with Kuba here.

this makes no sense, he is literally just pulling stuff out of his arse and its terrible advice IMO

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Defo dont use an AI – We want a set up that requires no AI use during TRT and cycles if possible

Options would be.

adjust dosing schedule – so split the dose 2/3 times a week or even micro dose daily.

Possibly use a little masteron alongside the test for TRT.

However which route to go is impossible to advise on until we see bloods

Results in mate, screenshot attached but in case it doesn’t show properly-

FSH <0.3iu/l

LH <0.3iu/l

Oestradiol 384pmol/l

Test 43.4nmol/l

Free Test Calc 1.24nmol/l

Free Androgen Index 166.5%

Prolactin 563miu/l[/quote]

Morning mate, thanks for the comprehensive answer there. With the blood results in I was thinking reduce the dose from 125mg/week to 100mg/week to get test within normal range. Following your advice here I’ll get some insulin pins and do a bit of reading on subq injections and start to microdose daily subq. One question here if you don’t mind – if I was planning on taking 0.4ml / week intramuscular, does that equate to the same if I go subq or should I alter the dose due to different dispersal/absorbtion? i.e I can go 0.06ml 7x /week = 0.42ml so roughly the same dose OR go, say, 0.1ml 7x /week for 0.7ml total if subq doesn’t absorb as well?

I’ll try to source some proviron to pull my levels into line until the microdosing sorts things out.

Also, just on the mention of bodyfat possibly being the cause of the aromatisation – my bodyfat is not crazy high (about 14% and coming down weekly, just finished a massing phase and started a cut).

Thanks again, Peter.

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Keep the dose the same. No need to alter due to Subq from my understanding

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[Hilly]

Friday –

Cardio done with abs
Busy work day
All meals in

Trained chest/shoulders due to missing session earlier in week for physio to work on bad shoulder. All sets listed hard working sets

Seated chest press – 5 x 10-12 reps – last 2 sets to failure
Incline chest press – 4 x 8 -15 – last 2 sets to failure
Pec dec – 3 second negative and hold in contraction – 4 x 12 reps – last 2 to failure

Standing Db laterals focusing on perfect form – 4 x 8-10 reps – last 2 to failure with partials
1 arm leaning laterals – 4 x 15 reps – last 2 to failure with partials.

Reduced volume session as shoulder is still painful -however I now know the cause and will be getting it worked on Monday that should be a quick fix.

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[Hilly]

All cooked weights

yup

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[Hilly]

How long have you been on
How old are you

are you using any HCG

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[Hilly]

I would avoid the MK bud – no one I know has had good experiences with it, its terrible for insulin sensitivity.

I would just run the Pct and focus on getting your hormones back.

You have a very impressive physique and it looks like this was done naturally so I would just continue to do what you have been doing and work on being better 🙂

Thank you Peter do you think the PCT sounds okay? And I won’t do mk677. I’m not sure if people like to recommend pcts but it’s just I want to try being my hormones back.[/quote]
the only thing I would change is the nolva down to 20mg and clomid at 100mg first 5 days then 50mg for 30 days

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[Hilly]

Dont rush it
do cardio
dont change your training to higher rep stuff 🙂

Have fun

without more info cant help more than that

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[Hilly]

Defo dont use an AI – We want a set up that requires no AI use during TRT and cycles if possible

Options would be.

adjust dosing schedule – so split the dose 2/3 times a week or even micro dose daily.

Possibly use a little masteron alongside the test for TRT.

However which route to go is impossible to advise on until we see bloods

Results in mate, screenshot attached but in case it doesn’t show properly-

FSH <0.3iu/l

LH <0.3iu/l

Oestradiol 384pmol/l

Test 43.4nmol/l

Free Test Calc 1.24nmol/l

Free Androgen Index 166.5%

Prolactin 563miu/l

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[Hilly]

Agree with sas – if your lean enough side/rear delt and even front delt for small amounts will be fine

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[Hilly]

I would look to alter the cycle design to it is more optimal.

I would try 300mg test and 200mg primo. This IMO would be better for overall muscle growth and optimising hormones

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[Hilly]

Where do you get your clen for Peter?

What’s your diet on both training day and rest days looking like now?

Hey

Local source for clen.

Current meal plan for training days is

Egg whites, 2 whole eggs and oats
fish, Jasmine rice, coconut oil
intra – EAA and sustain
PWO – protein powder and sustain
Fish and rice
fish and rice
Beef, eggs, egg whites and 100g cooked Jasmine rice

Rest days

Eggs, vegan protein and oats
fish and rice
Beef and rice
fish and rice
Fish and rice
beef and veg

Protein portions 9oz on rest days and rice portions 125g
protein portions 8oz on training days and rice 200g

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