[Hilly]

It very much depends on how your body responds based on drug work etc.

If your looking to move to a growth phase then I would add in 100mg test and 100mg primo to current TRT dose (presuming this will be 125-150mg PW)

I would then test hormones at week 5 and asses from here

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Vitamin c i taper up over 4-5 days from 2g to 6G day prior to show.

Based on how the look is changing and what weight is doing I may then use 500mg dandelion Am and Pm day before or just AM,

show day there are a few variables to consider and it really depends how you wake on the day and how you know your body changes

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[Hilly]

Do you have

Current picture
body weight
Previous cycle doses.

thats a big dose of mast at this stage I agree with Adam and tren at this far out is a little excessive IMO unless there is warrant for it (drastically over weight and needing to push very hard early on, however I would hope this isn’t the case.

I would personally drop the masteron to 450mg.

If the tren is in and you want to keep it in then drop to 150mg.

Split these doses MWF

Check blood work at week 5 and see were this puts your hormones etc.

Clen – escalating dose depends on rate of loss etc IMO.

Winstrol – I am a fan for the last few weeks but would potentially start at 25mg and then asses if we need to taper up but this is based on level of physique and past experiences.

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Impossible to help you with no information bud.

Goals-
Cycle history
Current picture would be ideal.

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Friday

HIT cardio and steps done

Busy work day as per.

Couple of hours with Arilena and my mum this afternoon which was nice. Moving this session to Lloyds frees up a good hour plus for me which makes a big difference.

chest/additional shoulders. Just working sets listed –

Pec dec – x 15, x 15, x 14, x 12F
Seated chest press machine – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 6F, x 13F
Seated cable incline press – x 12, x 12, x 11F, x 8F
Flat cable press – x 25F, x 19F

Crucifix side laterals -x 12, x 12, x 12 , 6F, x 15F

Always a boring workout this with my pec etc – I have added a little normal pressing in using both sides very light to work on the stabilisers etc as per physio recommendation.

high day 2moro and back.

I have also gone over on my foot today running for Arilena which at first didn’t hurt at all and now is swollen and hurts like a bitch so that is going to impact things a little I feel but we shall see.

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I have never used or found the need to use K when using clen. I would not bother personally

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I would use a pre workout 30-40 minutes pre i find best.

Prepare pro is the ultimate pre workout for me and there really is nothing better.

Pumpage is great if you are training later in the day or are avoiding caffeine/stims.

I do like the mix them together for legs and its a truly impressive concoction :))

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I dont believe there is a dose per IU ratio any one could offer and really needs to go off blood work.

IME 100mcg tends to put majority of people near the top end and 150mg just over top end of range.

I just use 100mcg year round and this also puts my t3 in great spot to

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I dont see any issues in terms of cross over with supplements here. I would try and increase the omega/krill oil dosing to see if you can bump HDL up.

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I like to keep this pretty simple and go how my body feels.

I do 7-8 grinds of sea salt per meal

I do an additional 6 pre and 6 intra

I take in 500ml coconut water intra workout.

This for me covers all my needs. I dont get any cramp or signs of dehydration

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Firstly huge well done! That’s epic work
Do not hugely worry about the short term dip in strength and muscle volume , it won’t be muscle loss per se , it’s just you being flat and sucked down . Once you have been in a surplus for a bit , you will be bigger than ever very quickly and stronger than ever .
Your post shows you know exactly what your doing , which is awesome !
If you can push on a bit more and not get too miserable from food focus , or wanting to binge, I would push on a bit more , as it will mean when you come back upto a peak weight of say 225 , you will still be lean there and added a nice chunk of new tissue , setting urself up so perfectly to get legit legit that next diet
So maybe a few more weeks coming down, get sub 200 , call it a day there and immediately bring cals back up to a point where you don’t feel fucked! So you jump from 195-205/207 pretty fast , then cruise low – 125 test , hold at around 210 , then re introduce more gear again and very steadily add 15 pounds lean tissue over 20 weeks , and boom! You are then in a perfect place , cruise again , after that re add bits again m diet down to 190 lean as hell! Simple as that 🙂

Could not agree more with this.

To many worry about little strength drop during a cut and its inevitable at some stage. Keep pushing until you are really struggling for sure and then follow the above advice.

The leaner you can get the better IMO always

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Loads of threads on this buddy with lots of information in.

Education section on here first for sure.

Scott Stevensons book – be your own Bb coach

Work with a good coach or 2 to learn how they work and what they do.

Experience and education are key like in any other field

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It very much depends on what you cruise on IMO.

I like to use a cruise for some and myself to tidy up but my cruise would be 250mg of total compound and IME for some one at my level and weight there is little chance of muscle loss here.

However I wouldn’t be going straight into a mini cut from a growth period.

I would use the first phase of the cruise to hold and solidify and then come down the last 4-6 weeks.

It also depends on were your BF is. if your say close to 20% and looking to chop down to around 12% then I see this as being a decent move on a cruise with little chance of muscle loss.

if you were trying to push leaner and hold alot of muscle for your frame then there may be some potential for muscle loss but it would depend on the cruise dose 🙂

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Your physique as mentioned in other threads is fantastic and Imo exactly what classic is.

I would be upping the pace here and pushing hard. Personally I would be bringing the clen in now

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Fully agree with J

just alot of over thinking that is not needed at all 🙂

Stick with the like for like dose

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