[Hilly]

Agree with the above – Sounds like you are doing to much and causing your own issues.

More is not better in prep.

You should really only be feeling like this if at all the last week or 2 and even then there are ways to minimise this and depends on ow the prep has gone

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[Hilly]

To echo the above this is not Imo acceptable.

A check in should be answered within 24 hours if not the same day unless this is previously agreed time frame.

For instance the current coach I work with during the off-season is a 48 hour window which I agreed to no issues due to the time of coaching it is in the current environment we are working.

However for my clients I respond same day no matter what as I am pretty sure all of the TBJP athletes/coaches do.

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[Hilly]

in theory this would be more suited to before bed

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Alot of people favour a more focused timed carb approach so if you train say mid day of later in the day then there is lesser need to have carbs in the first meal.

Avoiding carbs in the last meal unless you train late on allows for better BG management in theory.

Its a very individual thing based on goals, physique and response to each set up

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My oestrogen levels are shown in the picture. This was on 300 test 150 npp, looking at this would Mast even be needed if i chose to do Test and NPP again

I would have no issues with my E2 being here unless I was getting high e2 sides

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How much progress have you made over these cycles.

Do you have pics before you started and current pics?

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Hi y’all! Follow up question here:

Switching up my stack to 150test/300primo for this last leg of prep. Is there any merit/benefit to splitting that into 3 shots on like a MWF schedule? Or would doing 2 shots yield the same results? I figured it’s pretty easy to split into 3 parts just due to the measurements but idk if it even matters

I always favour MWF or EOD for 95% of clients.

Some we do daily as this helps manage hormones better.

I see little difference between the 2 TBH[/quote]

Hi Peter,

Starting on Tue/Thur/Sat injection frequency per your guys recommendations, thanks for the help!

In the off-season I’ll probably just go back to my baseline TRT dose of 150 test maybe add in 50-100 of primo at times. Even at that lower total anabolic load, would you say the higher frequency injections are still the better option?[/quote]
yes it will still give a better hormonal profile IME

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[Hilly]

These are hard for me to get my head round to be honest and some stuff I dont understand fully so can’t comment.

What s obvious is

HDL is very poor – you need increase your good fats – add in TBJP love heart – make sure taking 8-10g omega 3 daily from TBJP omega pro.
LDL seems fine.

HbA1c seems fine also

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[Hilly]

So your cruise is 125mg test and 70mg primo weekly.

I would simply be going 300mg test and 250-300mg primo split MWF and run this for 6-8 weeks.

Asses progress
Asses hormones

Use this info to decide what you are doing from here on.

No need for tren at all imho.

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[Hilly]

Drop the GH out. If the reading goes down and back to normal then you know its just the Gh causing the issue and there is not really a cause for concern IMO.

However to manage this first I would look to increase metformin to 500mg Am and 500mg pre bed.

If this didn’t drop it down to a range you were happy with then lantus will certainly help.

what is your current body Comp like ?

What is current goal?

what is current carb intake

I’m pretty sure gh is the issue.. i’ve never had problems in keeping my blood sugar level in range even at the end of the bulk when I was eating 700g carbs in my high carb days… For the last 2 years (starting 18 years old) I started being more dedicated to diet and training and i’ve tested my blood sugar almost every morning .. it was never higher than 95. Even on 700 g carbs.. but now , on gh .. it is very high imo .. my average carb intake is 300 carbs (2high carb days, 3 medium, 2 low) .. my current goal is losing fat.. I’ll try to upload some photos taken today to show my body comp.. i’m 93 kg rn.[/quote]
Have you actually done bloods to see if there is an issue.

We know gh will increase blood glucose levels so there may be no issues at all.

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Weight 234lb n seems to be holding here post illness.

Hit cardio n steps done.

Trained arms – nothing exciting to report there. Managed to train arms 100% with barely any bicep pain.

Not a bad day.

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from experience with clients and doing consultations regarding hormones i have seen a trend of people feeling worse when they have switched to trying Subq over Im or have felt better once switching to IM from Subq –

There is then the fact a lot report the injects never really sit well even with very small volumes.

As Jordan says its one of those things you have to simply try and see if it works for you.

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[Hilly]

Its possible that it could – the drug is very new and almost something of a fad to be honest so there isnt an aweful lot of experience or there.

I am yet to run it into a show personally so can’t comment and havnt had any clients run it as we have managed to control blood pressure in other ways such as using the supplements Jordan mentioned so we have had to need to add another drug.

Maybe Kuba or Cal can comment as they will of likely had guys run it into show.

I believe Cal may be a fan of keeping it in but I could be wrong

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[Hilly]

you have already built a more impressive physique than 90% of males out there your age and as you say you love the lifestyle so most definitely.

Spend a good amount of time eating and growing and just having fun training your ass off.

The muscle will come and then you diet back down, Asses and go from there 🙂

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[Hilly]

Zero sense . Name the coach

Thanks jordan, well it’s a friend of mine and doesn’t coach others, right now. Thank god I have at least this source of informations. What would be more reasonable until I find someone I can REALLY trust? [/quote]
lets hope he doesn’t try and coach others and give the similar bad advice to.

All he’s really doing he is jacking up gear so you are guaranteed results and he’s even doing that badly IMO.

In terms of your last question we can’t answer this unless you get bloods done.

there will be some out there that can take 350mg test split into EOD injections and sit top end or just over top end of E2 range with no sides.

Others will get sides and need something to control E2.

Until you try it however and get bloods done if you get issues we can’t tell you.

Personally I would keep the proviron in as it will make the testosterone more efficient by increasing free test and if you are so far clear of any E2 sides then no need to risk creating some.

just my opinion on it

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