[Hilly]

Agree with the above – just switch to the Trt dose and crack on.

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[Hilly]

Would taking yohimbine for fasted cardio have any benefits while bulking or would it be pointless?

IMo its pointless.

Some would consider it if they were running a particular approach using other drugs and trying to have spells of the day dedicated to fat loss and spells dedicated to growth but this is most of the time not worth it and a very complicated process if it would even work at all.

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[Hilly]

firstly well done on progress so far bud – you have dropped a solid amount of tissue.

IMO more drugs are not the answer. Your already taking a good mix of drugs and they have aided you in getting were you are as your not doing alot for your output at all.

20 minutes of cardio and 6-8k steps is less than I have every client doing in the off season.

You can ramp this up drastically over time and get exactly were you need to be without adding a single drug. Of that I am certain.

I am all for using drugs when they are needed but in your case you simply need to do more and increase output this way not by adding in drugs to do that for you.

I would get cardio at 30 minutes daily straight off the bat and get those steps to 10k daily. This will see a drastic drop in body fat over time.

You can then move to 40 minutes and 12k steps etc etc.

unless there is some drastic reason why you simply can’t do any more which is impossible TBH then this is without a doubt the best route.

If you do all of this and then still want more off then you could look at adding in one of the above.

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[Hilly]

IMO i would get that BF down a good chunk before you looked at growing.

I would look to drop down to 90kg and then push up. You will have much more success in terms of a lean bulk if you do this first.

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[Hilly]

Wed –
Busy day today – To busy to be honest but got all that needed to done.

I am behind a meal so have combined the protein from a meal over 2 so eating 300g cooked beef for 2 meals instead of 200g. Upped the carbs in each meal also.

Training – Was a little different today as I had a bikini client visiting and I wanted to go through execution and form with her on certain things so we did an upper workout.

Nothing worth noting but my top end strength was impressively good and body felt fine.

got a couple of hours in with Arilena and a walk also so all in all a good day.

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[Hilly]

I have done.

once a week
MWF
EOD

based on my own blood work there wasnt much of a difference and thus there was no need for me to dose more than once per week if I am using a true TRT dose – 125-150mg.

Some clients need to dose MWF and I have a couple that need to dose daily to make sure E2 stays in range and they dont get some sides.

This is when we are looking to keep the Test level at the very top of normal or just over.

I wouldn’t say most feel much difference unless they seem to be sensitive to hormone doses

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[Hilly]

Surely the only real ‘right answer’ is damage limitation and therefore minimising total drug use and using ‘safer’ compounds. There I guess is also a difficult conversation to have at what stage you are not ‘built for this’ and how hard you are willing to push for the goal

And then even with this you need to consider individual response to each of the drugs and compounds.

Some peoples bodies are just not effected like others are.

So if your tracking all aspects of health and things are continuing to be good then it may also be some justification for that person to push things a little harder than some one that is seeing clear signs of damage to health as they progress.

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[Hilly]

I think if you wanted to be more technical in this.

It would be a very good idea to hit minimal requirements or getting enough from solid protein amounts.

So the way I have always approached it is I set clients protein at usually 1.25-1.5g protein per lb. This is from total protein.

Now a long time ago I spent a little time working out different clients amounts if I was just calculating direct protein and it always came out at around 1g per lb or more if I made sure total protein came from the amounts above.

Now science would tell us that 1g per lb is more than enough to build muscle maxmimally.

So based on all of this I choose to set my total protein goals a little higher as above and work from total protein as the body is using it all and it all contains calories.

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[Hilly]

just because the protein isnt stimulating PS doesn’t mean the body isn’t using it. If the body needs it it will use it.

The body is recovering and potentially building all throughout the day.

What is not needed is excreted hence us all usually having higher ranges of Urea because we are breaking down more due to a higher intake.

The body will only excrete what it has no need for if you are healthy and functioning correctly.

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[Hilly]

i think ideally it being close to the top end may be more favourable for some health aspects as max says but im not sure it would be any better for growth.

I know personally overall I feel better when mine is on the higher side of the range than in the middle.

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[Hilly]

Legs today – Weight 237 – Still down a little .

High day today – Carb total 940g – I forgot a muffin that had been added to the pre gym meal which would of put me at 1000g.

Legs in UF with a client and an old client of mine which made it much more fun.

Lay ham curls – with a 2 second pause in contraction and 3 sec negative – x 12, x 10, x10, x 10, x 10, x 8F
Extensions – x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20, x 12F with 8 partials.
1 leg leg press – I started 2 low hear annoyingly – x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20F – should of just been 5 sets
Leg press – 4 second negative and 3 second positive – x 15, x 12, 10
Seated ham curls – 3 second negative and hard contraction hold – x 15, x 15, x 12, x8F
1 leg standing leg curl – failure plus 10 partials – x 10F, x 8F
Lunges – 1 set lunging whole distance up and down failing at the end.

This was a little easier than usual I think due to the extra rest with there being 3 of us and me under estimating my strength on some different bits of kit.

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[Hilly]

Agree with the above

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[Hilly]

i usual recommend weekly 4-5 to get a better idea of were the hormone levels are at a more stable level.

Potentially taking them at week 3 you may still be seeing some rise and not were they are going to level out.

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[Hilly]

Have an end goal in mind, a physique that you want to achieve at your peak. (Granted this is hard but get a rough idea)

At the age you’re at now you have comfortably 5 years of being able to push hard using anabolics. Up until you’re 27. Remember main negative effects from steroid use come from duration rather than dosage. Get 90% of the progressing towards that’s end physique done in the first 5 years when you’re youngest and can mitigate the negative effects most readily, after that, significantly drop the dosage and slow the rate of progression or use just enough to maintain once you’ve reached that peak.

In my opinion, which is quite a different to many people, if you know you’re going to be that guy who’s going to use for the next 10 years most likely (which most PED users are) there’s little to no point in going for the “use as little as possible approach” – if that will most likely mean prolonging the length of time you’ll be assisted for the get your ideal physique

There is no right or wrong answer, just different viewpoints which have their merits

There was a huge interesting debate a long time ago on pro muscle Jordan may remember were a couple of the older members very much had this same thought pattern.

Is it healthier to do a more moderate/low dose to get were you want to be in 10 years or push a little harder and get there in 5 and then back off and sit were you want to be.

As you say no right or wrong answer just a personal choice to make

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[Hilly]

I think even the softer part maybe not totally warrant the drug increase ? I think it’s a possibility that say from a lean start point , the 250mg cycle is used and then once you get soft from the push up, whatever muscle you have added is then you. So to reset that process, diet back down, keep the new muscle , run a period low to clear out , then re add the 250 cycle and increase the food again. This can be repeated as many times over until, you stop gaining muscle , and to know this, your dieted down weight would then be the same , so then you know that last push brought nothing new . So then could go 350mg total

I could certainly agree with that.

I suppose as you lay out there could be really no warrant to a drug increase if your happy to step back and forth over a very prolonged period of time which some people certainly could be.

My thought pattern for this would be if one is looking to maximise muscle growth over a certain period of time I personally would rather step the dose forward in a low dose manner and which would allow for more potential muscle growth when the physique seems to be slipping more than it was before in terms of fat gain.

I have seen myself and others do this and the body comp comes back at the same weight or a little higher.

But as you say this would be jumping the gun on a drug increase when you could pull back back repeat. Its just missing the time spent pulling back.

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