[Hilly]

Thanks very much for your advice. Would your advice still apply for blasting and cruising? I should have said that.

We are leaning towards the guy recommending pinning every Saturday, Test-E at 150mg. Same guy is recommending after 10 weeks at 150mg weekly, to increase to 300mg then 500mg weekly – followed by blasting for 14-16 weeks. We aren’t keen on the HCG/Clomid aspects so probably won’t do that, and aren’t keen on the subQ aspect either so appreciate your advice with that.

We will look into Boron and B6, appreciate that. Hadn’t heard of these before.

Thanks again! [/quote]
Blasting for what purpose ? What goal
Are you trying to achieve by increasing the drugs.

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[Hilly]

I would do

Ppl off U/L

Or if wanting to stick purely Upper / lower – decide we’re you need more focus – either upper or lower n have 3 of those n only 2 of other

Or you could do

Week 1 – 3 x upper with 2 lower
Week 2 – 3 x lower with 2 x upper
Week 3 – just 2 of each
Week 4 – repeat

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[Hilly]

Ideally I would want to leave 72 hours

There is a reason this program was written PPL off

You certainly can hit a body part again on day 3 but volume will have to be manipulated quite a bit in doing so

For instance fully body workouts are doing EOD and some even daily

You just need to be super accurate with everything else n monitor your recovery

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No difference at all IMO.

used to be a huge fan of a protein blend that had 50% whey and 50% casein for this exact reason.

My digestion just doesn’t like this stuff at all any more.

I use Trainedbyjp vegan for the exact same reason – I can make it into a lovely mousse and it eat slowly with a spoon

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I know of a couple of guys who have been using this over in America – Love it.

It also seems to be rife in woman around my local area – 2 clinics selling it.

From the people I have spoke to it seems to wear off a little after 8 weeks but that would be no issue for us as it would be ideal for the last 4-6 weeks of prep.

Keep us updated on how you find it.

How long do you intend to run it for max

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so you have 1 reading that is a little elevated in just the top number and you are worried?

Have you done a weeks worth of readings?

you havnt told us what if anything has changed in the 2 weeks?

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I didn’t have any issues pre cycle so not sure if it is prolactin or not. But wasn’t sure what else it would be.

Other than that do the on cycle bloods look okay to you?

I just ordered the B6 so will give that a go.

[/quote]

@Hilly I’ve got the test results back. High Progesterone, Prolactin looks better (I’ve been taking the B6 as you said)

I’ve dropped the Test E to 150mg pw hopefully the gyno dies down.

What do I do about the progesterone?

Also any thoughts on what’s causing it? I didn’t think it would be a side from Test E 400mg pw and Proviron 25mg ed.[/quote]
This should come down over time – I would retest again in 4-5 weeks

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In your situation I personally would be using Eq in my growth phase as I find this works more effectively as an Ai than mast at the same or lower dose. This would then allow you to push other compounds that will aid in growth better such as test/NPP.

However there are several ways you can do this in reality.

One option would be test, eq and low dose NPP – I like this cycle alot with myself and clients

Another option would be to use test and primo – finding enough primo to keep your estro in check with 300mg test – However this may get expensive and may not be an option

Another would be to go 300mg test, with 300mg primo and 200mg masteron – this may control estrogen better and IMO would be better than just test and mast but cheaper than test and all primo.

The first option would yield more overall growth for sure IMO.

on all cycles it would be important to get bloods checked at week 5 and see were your estrogen is etc so you can adjust as needed.

Its truly a case of working out what works best for you and you feel the best on so you can push performance and food.

Insulin.

I would start on 15iu lantus meal 1 or 2.
I would have carbs a little lower on Rest days for most but not if your a hard gainer so to speak or have a manual job. I may simply just not have workout nutrition in this scenario.

I would then likely work the lantus up to 25-30iu
I may also add in a little fast pre gym

I would do make these increments over time in line with food increases.

Its very hard to give direct information as we dont know you so just trying to give options with thoughts patterns here 🙂

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At this dose i personally would not as this is what most use for thyroid replacement and isn’t putting you over the natural range.

People usually lower the dose when they are running higher doses – so for example 50mcg t3 down to 37.5 or 25mcg

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[Hilly]

That is exactly the reason as Jordan states and one of the reasons I run it this way with alot of clients during growth phases and always have done.

I much prefer this method.

Again agreeing with J I see no issues with this long term as long as your monitoring insulin sensitivity

I would like to test this strategy too Hilly! I just wonder how should i put the 8ius EOD, all at once pre bed or divide?

Thanks mate ?[/quote]
for the highest IGF spike all at once would be best however most report a little more water retention and lethargy from this so I split pre gym and pre bed

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Side note – higher dose melatonin use – As per Dante post he made a few weeks back I am going to trial this and have started on 10mg last tuesday.

The drowsy feeling seemed to go Sunday – so 6 nights.
I then upped to 15mg and no issues
Will go to 20mg tonight and see how I feel and work up to 60mg and see if I notice anything interesting

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Chest with additional shoulders today

No HIT done just treadmill as I had the baby this morning while charl slept so treadmill at home was the only option.

Was up at 4:30 to do a little work before the baby woke around 5:30 and then had a couple of hours with her before I cracked on.

Trained

Pec dec with 2 second hold in contraction – 5 x 10 with 30 seconds between sets
Seated cable press – 6 x 8 sets – last 2 to failure and the last 1 with 2 drop sets
Incline chest press – x 12, x 10, x 10, x 8
Hoist close grip – x 20, x 16, x 14

Crucifix laterals – x 15, x 15, x 12, x 8
Lateral machine – x 20, x 20, x 15

Calfs
Seated – 2 second pause I stretch and contraction – x 20, x 15, x 12, x 8
1 leg toe press -x 20, x 17, x 12

Good session, great pump.

All food in no issues

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Rest
Deep tissue
Stay active as long as it’s pain free.

Start back training legs very light when you can and avoid using the adductor for a while.

Do you know how bad the tear was ? Was there bleeding ?

Have you seen a physio / doctor

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