[Hilly]

It depends on the rest of the cycle.

I do like an oral pre workout during phases of a cycle to maximise performance and recovery and feel in doing so it can limit overall stress on the body and reduce any effects on appetite.

However this can be very situation depending.

For instance during a prep especially the later stages I prefer orals daily to keep things level and not pre workout

Yes that makes sense for sure, I am currently on 300mg test c/w, 200mg Deca/w, 50mg drol training days only and I feel gr8 to be honest [/quote]
if you feel great and progress is good as well as health markers then I would be happy and not changing a dam thing 🙂

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[Hilly]

Thanks Hilly for your reply. It was helpful. ? [/quote]
🙂

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[Hilly]

Weight – 231 – dip down already here and feel better overall.

Rest day today – Reduced rice portions from 200g to 150g in 5 meals and none in last meal. No changes to protein/fat.

Steps at 10k

Worked for a few hours mid day.

spent this morning with charl as it was her first mothers day as a mum.

Then this evening with my mum.

2moro – HIT cardio, work and train chest with additional delts

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[Hilly]

Cycle for those interested

750mg test

500EQ

SD – 30mg pre gym – using an inject version so it doest impact appetite like the oral seems to

Proviron 50mg daily.

Gh – not added in yet but will be 4-5iu pre gym

Insulin on high days as shown above.

It would be interesting to here the taught process of his cykel and why he used this compounds. Can you explain? Did he tell you why he used test and eq as main compound? [/quote]

I did not ask

As to me it’s clear why he is using these drugs [/quote]

I understand can you tell me?

Why he uses this instead of npp or primo?:) [/quote]
You would have to ask him for his reasoning

I can imagine it’s for the

Anabolic effect
Increase in RBC to allow for improved nutrition transport and o2
Anti E effect

You will be able to see from the drugs choose alongside the training he seems to favour a huge pump / cell volume effect

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Thank You ? Do You think The better way is to leave hcg or maybe just put it only periodically

Why are you using hcg ? [/quote]

I’m on cycle for about 2.5 years right now. I did some competition, last was April 2021. I took test, npp, masteron during prep. Next i did some offseason on only npp and test but then my blood work become worst so i lower The dose to 175 test and add Telmisartan to repair hematocrit and hemoglobine. I add hcg to make sure my Body wont couse artrophy and to immite lh. I was wrong shouldt i put it for this period ?[/quote]
For me I am not a fan of long term consistent hcg use like this.

It always causes spikes in Estrogen and elevated side effects

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[Hilly]

Cycle for those interested

750mg test

500EQ

SD – 30mg pre gym – using an inject version so it doest impact appetite like the oral seems to

Proviron 50mg daily.

Gh – not added in yet but will be 4-5iu pre gym

Insulin on high days as shown above.

It would be interesting to here the taught process of his cykel and why he used this compounds. Can you explain? Did he tell you why he used test and eq as main compound? [/quote]
I did not ask
As to me it’s clear why he is using these drugs

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[Hilly]

I’m confused

Your paying some one who is very knowledgeable

Yet he won’t guide you ?

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[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

How close to the site are you injecting – could you shoot IM further away and it not hurt?

Your not injecting directly into the injury site are you?

My wifey is a nurse and was only shooting in the outside middle. The pic is where the injury may be along the tendon.[/quote]

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Thank You ? Do You think The better way is to leave hcg or maybe just put it only periodically

Why are you using hcg ?

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[Hilly]

I think the minimum would be 12 weeks. Things like deca or eq would last at least 5 weeks until they really work. So 12-16 I guess would be optimal

On short esters like tren a or masteron 6-8 weeks would be enough I guess

This is not true – Drugs start working from the moment you inject them.

Cycle length is really based on

progress

Health markers

short and long term goals.

How you prefer to cycle.

For myself I prefer to start of lower with clients and build up in phases. I find this better for longevity and overall progress.

16-20 weeks being the average.

I feel 8-12 is just to short however I do this with some clients based on there goals/schedule.

So if you have a show/shoot date 24 weeks away you may run a cycle 6-8 weeks with short esters in a growth phase, then cruise for 6-8 and then run the prep cycle.

you may simple run a cycle for 24 weeks starting low and building up.

There truly is no real guidelines and must be tailored per that person and what there body tells you along the way[/quote]
Thanks for answering. I think 20 weeks would be my best option and see how that goes.
Do you think the time for cruising between cycles depends on how long I would be blasting? Maybe hard to answer because it depends on bloodwork and health.[/quote]

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[Hilly]

Its been 8 days, you just hit your first half life.. half life.. you need to let the drugs get into your system before evaluating anything.

I agree here.

I would retest in another 14 days for a more accurate readings.

However its very possible that this is all you will get as an individual for this testosterone dose.

We are all different and will see different readings from a particular dose.

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[Hilly]

Based on these results, the fact you have changed brand and you previous posts on this I would be inclined to agree with max and you simply need more of the drug to increase levels.

We are all different and metabolise drugs differently and there are always those outliers that need a good bit more or a good bit less than what is classed as normal

If you have ran 2 different brands of these drugs and are seeing the same similar low numbers then it stands a very good chance you simply need more of the drug to achieve higher numbers.

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[Hilly]

Injecting more frequently does seem to reduce estrogen levels for people yes.

so changin your schedule to EOD or even daily will IMO help.

However using HCG is always going to spike E2 and make it much harder to control

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[Hilly]

Very much agree with Jordans posts here.

From my experience both in study and in real life if some one is in a true deficit and doing all they should be then they loose weight.

99 times out of a 100 the ones that are not are either not doing all they should in terms of food intake, daily output or simply not working hard during there exercise.

Its amazing how many times I see clients/people I know in the gym that say they struggle to loose weight/change there physique and in reality they are being lazy in terms of there efforts towards exercise. This would usually make me think they are putting the same lack of effort into other aspects of there day.

the amount of people that over eat/pick at things/consume hidden calories without realising is quite remarkable IME

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