[Hilly]

Over what time frame did you go from 73kg to 70kg?

You have now gone 2 weeks with 0 weight loss on the scale?

has there been any hormonal changes? Period due during this time?

Are you taking proper check in pictures in a bikini etc to analyse how you look – its very possible you are getting leaner but the scale is not moving. This can happen at times.

I usually like clients to hold off 2 weeks before we make any changes sometimes even 3. Patients is key with this at times.

What progress are you seeing in the gym? Is Strenght up? down?

How often are you eating over calories truthfully per week during this 2 week phase or have you been 100% with literally nothing off plan/over calories going in your mouth ?

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[Hilly]

Agree with jordan. – if done right there is no reason to hold after the mini cut and you can move straight into slowly creeping food up.

For some that have a tendency to over eat or hold a lean state then sitting for longer periods post cut in the lean state can be beneficial.

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[Hilly]

I would not personally run clen with any one when looking for pure muscle growth.

Some may say there is justification for Yohimbine use if they are designing the cycle so there are fat loss periods on Rest days etc – for example – going lower carb, intermittent fasting, gh use and Yohombine to try and create a fat loss environment on these days.

Not something I would do but I know some like to run approaches like this.

For me I generally favour a set phase for growth and a set phase for fat loss using the supplements most suited for these phases.

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[Hilly]

I think the minimum would be 12 weeks. Things like deca or eq would last at least 5 weeks until they really work. So 12-16 I guess would be optimal

On short esters like tren a or masteron 6-8 weeks would be enough I guess

This is not true – Drugs start working from the moment you inject them.

Cycle length is really based on

progress
Health markers
short and long term goals.
How you prefer to cycle.

For myself I prefer to start of lower with clients and build up in phases. I find this better for longevity and overall progress.

16-20 weeks being the average.

I feel 8-12 is just to short however I do this with some clients based on there goals/schedule.

So if you have a show/shoot date 24 weeks away you may run a cycle 6-8 weeks with short esters in a growth phase, then cruise for 6-8 and then run the prep cycle.

you may simple run a cycle for 24 weeks starting low and building up.

There truly is no real guidelines and must be tailored per that person and what there body tells you along the way

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[Hilly]

the bloods are hard to give advice on without the labs reference ranges

Looks like his estrogen and prolactin are raised so the proposed cycle would not be ideal as it would make this worse based on these numbers

He needs to improve is HDL also –

fully agree with Kuba post also

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[Hilly]

It depends on the rest of the cycle.

I do like an oral pre workout during phases of a cycle to maximise performance and recovery and feel in doing so it can limit overall stress on the body and reduce any effects on appetite.

However this can be very situation depending.

For instance during a prep especially the later stages I prefer orals daily to keep things level and not pre workout

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Thanks hilly for the bodybuilders who use 1g+ when bulking is that 1g used to build lean muscle and would they gain more muscle on a bulk using 1g instead of 500g or would 1g be kinda pointless on a bulk?[/quote]
Im not fully sure on the question here.

In reality when all is in place – More drugs means more gains tho IMHO as long as health markers etc are all maintained

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[Hilly]

Weight 233lb

Checked in with AJ – he has pulled some food back as was to aggressive with the initial food plan.
We have dropped the during the night shakes
We have pulled back to 1 high day
We have dropped some carbs form medium days

I have also been using some Inject SD pre gym and I feel this has been causing a brutal PWO feeling that has caused severe lethargy and the sick feeling. I have only ever used in prep were it was super effective but never the injectable version during a growth phase. I will drop out next week and then re bring in the oral version and asses.

Trained back today with 2 clients and was a great sessions – Strenght was up, P was huge just that awful PWO drop in energy were I literally could pull over and sleep lol

Rope pull over – 3 x 15 reps pyramiding up

Hoist pull down with 2 second pause in contraction – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 9f, x 8f

T bar chest supported row – x 8, x 9f, x 8f, x 15f

1 arm row – x 10, x 10, x 11f, x 10f

Reverse Pull down focusing on lower lat – x 12, x 12, x 11f with a drop

Seated prime upper back row with 2 second pause in contraction – x 15, x 15, x 13, x 10

Cable shrugs with 2 second pause in contraction – x 15, x 18f, x 12f

Steps at 10k today

Starting on adjusted meal plan 2moro

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[Hilly]

very person depending as stated above.

If you find your legs hold fullness well then maybe 5 days out.

if you find they are flattening off then maybe 2-3 days out.

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How close to the site are you injecting – could you shoot IM further away and it not hurt?

Your not injecting directly into the injury site are you?

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[Hilly]

If you had the same issue on TRT when estrogen is normal then. Its not likely related to this.

what is the below like.

Sleep pattern?
day to day stress?
Overall life stress?

how long have things been like this for?

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I honestly dont think i would be looking at running PED for this.

If its just something you are getting into then focus on training and nutrition etc.

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[Hilly]

What did the coach say when you asked him about this?

Do you have any current pics

How far are you out from the show

This was the confusion really he didn’t say a lot just that we need to dig deeper, however he gave me a higher day Saturday and is planning on doing the same this week? My point is why are we doing that when things are moving as they are? I have a choice of two shows really depending on if I’m ready or not. One is 8 weeks the other is 12 weeks[/quote]
Just because things are moving doesnt mean they dont need to move quicker.

Imo you behind for 8 weeks out and I would want to be pushing you harder from here so can see the justification TBH.

he also may be trying ti deplete you harder so you respond better to the high day.

You need to discuss these things more with him I feel and ask for a more in-depth explanation.

If he can’t give you it and your not happy then you may need a change bud TBH. Its not good to be questioning your coach during a contest prep. Its only going to get more difficult and your head will waver more and more as time goes on in this situation IMO

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[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

very common discussion at the moment.

Fair few threads on here about with some reporting knots and lumps from trialing it.

I see no potential issue if using small amounts – 0.25ml etc but I would not considering doing any more than that personally.

It does make sense for a TRt approach

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