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Sunday – rest day

15k steps to be done.

Did 10 minutes jogging on treadmill plus stretching this AM which I may focus on building up n keeping in

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I think you could keep in 400 eq as suggested , and then also adding 50mg a day test prop , and once you feel e2 rising again which it should after a few days of the prop , you can decide on the next move , which make be changing nothing and staying on the 800 test e , 350 test p , 400 eq

Thank you guys for the help. Ill try this. Do any of you know how long it might take for the joints to feel better?

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Quicker you get E2 up the quicker they will get better. 2-6 weeks depending on how you go abt it [/quote]

Thank you! Would you still train through these joint pain issues?[/quote]
personally yes i have done and a currently doing so as have a similar issue not related to E2. Just be careful, Keep weights lower and in higher rep ranges. Try and pick exercises that are less painful

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Saturday – 15k steps

5 meals in.

Trained Biceps/legs

Ez cable curl – x 10, x 10, x 10, x8F
1 arm machine curl – x 8, x 12F, x 9F

seated ham curls – x 8, x 15F, x 9F
1 leg extensions – x 8, x 10F, x 9f
leg press – x 10, x 10, x 8F – done with no lockout and slow solid 3 sec negative
Adductor – x 8, x 15F

Job done – no tricep work as tendon into elbow still super sore but all else was good

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This is totally normal for many, pressing is usually the quickest to stall and the first to go in a deficit.

In your case doing that particular volume I would definitely look to change that up to the two sets with a bit higher reps vs the 5×5

Fully agree here. Just be patient and take a little more rest between sets.

Potentially then drop volume a touch

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I wear one from 5 am till around 11 it doesn’t have any impact on waist but it forces me to be more conscious of keeping my stomach tight and breathing through my rib cage not the stomach

This is the best benefit to them I believe.

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The Joint Stack (Join In, Osteo Pro and CureComing) and Collagen supps from tbJP.

Beyond that, if budget allows and you fancy trying peptides… BPC157&TB500, AOD9604, OP3-4, VIP. You can get the first three from Proforma.

As Kam says, make sure you’re doing everything to give yourself the best chance of being comfortable on your feet.

Fully agree with James

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I would increase frequency personally

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I can’t see pics. Can you send me on insta n will reply on here

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Thank you for all the replies! I really appreciate it.

When it comes to my protein sources, I keep things very simple. I’m not a fan of overcomplicating my diet.

I mainly rely on turkey breast, chicken breast, and whey isolate.

When I increase my protein intake, I don’t change the sources — everything stays exactly the same.

When I lower my protein, I also adjust potassium accordingly, so I’ve honestly analyzed this from every possible angle 😅

Please let us see your entire meal plan.

If your carb and veg sources are higher in fibre then higher protein will lead to digestion issues in some as protein also takes longer to digest.

Maybe it’s a combo of the other food choices you use plus the elevated protein

Or have you assessed n changed this also ?

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The primo is my own add in for E2.

I have the blood work done just waiting to get the results back.

I have been considering deca and Dbol, but was looking for more guidance on dosing or if other compound were better.

Can definitely up the dose after blood work comes in.

Can add just 1 or both , there are no rules.

If it’s first time using I would add in 1 at a time tho to asses response.

I would await bloods on current set up and then personally go 100-150mg nandrolone. If E2 is already on the higher side primo will need to go up to

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My first question is do you understand how these drugs work and what is going on ? This isn’t a dick question but genuine as it will help you better design cycles.

Test aromatises

Nandrolone aromatises

Test plus nandrolone aromatises more so than on there own we seem to find.

Masteron in general does nothing to aromatise.

You are clearly seeing E2 rise to high for You as an Individual as your not designing the cycle with the correct drugs to control E2 enough for you.

Primo or EQ will be much wiser options here.

Can still keep some masteron in also if wish.

Based on recent run a better choice would be

350 test

300 mast

300 primo or 150mg eq and additional 150mg masteron if trying to keel total load similar.

You can n should get bloods done to better understand how your body responds so you can better design your cycles specifically to suit you.

Hey bro yeah I have a fair understanding of hours the drugs aromatise I just didn’t realise to what degree 😂. I thought the Masteron would have helped to desensitise the receptor or either help with some E2 conversion but probably not to the degree I was expecting lol. I got bloods done just before I started the growth phase (end of health phase) but I might give it a week then get full bloods done again and have a look at the numbers.

Cheers for the reply

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Mast for most doesn’t do jack to lower E2 it can just stop some binding at receptor sites

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I think you could keep in 400 eq as suggested , and then also adding 50mg a day test prop , and once you feel e2 rising again which it should after a few days of the prop , you can decide on the next move , which make be changing nothing and staying on the 800 test e , 350 test p , 400 eq

Thank you guys for the help. Ill try this. Do any of you know how long it might take for the joints to feel better?

[/quote]
Quicker you get E2 up the quicker they will get better. 2-6 weeks depending on how you go abt it

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If EQ does nothing for your E2 I’m presuming you handle high e2 with no sides ?

How do your cycles normally look ?
How much do you weigh ?

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Heavy ish cycle
Layout and drug choice looks good
Ratio looks good if this works well for you.

Don’t see any issues overall. Personally I’d have the slin pre not post I think but that’s it

If your rolling straight into a cut and blood work is good n E2 is good no real need to change anything initially

One may switch NPP to tren
May switch GH up to spread over the day
May remove oxy for Var
May increase Adex over time.

Impossible for us to be accurate here as we don’t know you now can predict how things will progress.

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There is no issues with that total mg for most, the way most look a a cruise or trt + as some like to call it is usually around the 300mg total mark, for most people they can keep blood work in a perfect place on that total load no issues.

its then just about splitting the dose that works best for keeping your hormones/E2 were you want it.

personally for me 150mg test and 100mg primo would drive E2 to low but I have a client that sits perfect on it. You just need to figure out were you sit best

Thank you Peter,. Appreciated as always

If the 150 T:100 P ratio Would knock E2 too low, would you increase the test to 200mg + 100mg primo to keep within the max 300mg weekly amount or keep test at 150mg and lower primo to avoid adverse effects of cardiovascular fitness – seeing as thats a priority atm?

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That question is totally up to you mate.

I know im all good blood work wise at 300mg total so I’m taking the higher load as I always favour doing all I can to progress muscle mass

If your goal is different then less primo may be the best move

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