[Hilly]

LOLOL at jordan.

As he says – Just keep focusing on perfect form and really feeling your arms work when training them.

It takes people way way longer than it should to actually work alot of there muscles in there body correctly were they are truly putting the force through the muscle they are trying to work.

More volume is rarely the answer for most and focusing on better execution and progression over time is usually the answer 🙂

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[Hilly]

from what i know yes it is the same product.

However many report completely different/less sides from using the nasal application over injection so this would make run in line with what you are seeing also

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[Hilly]

If you get this all right the next cruise you could use to cut back a little BF that was gained on the bulk phase and then just get right back into a growth phase without the need for cruise and then cut before you get back to growing.

This is how I do it with clients in general

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personally i would pyramid the doses

I honestly feel you could cut fine on 300mg test/300mg primo and 50mg var pre workout – This would be more than sufficient.

I would then cruise for 8 weeks but choose 125mg test and 75mg primo personally for a more favourable ratio of 200mg drugs – this again is personal preference – I would use this phase to slowly work kcal up and make sure performance is at the very top end if there was any dip during the cutting phase.

Bulk I would move to 300mg test and 300mg NPP initially – at week 6 I would check bloods to see were your estrogen is on this mix of drugs – depending on progress and were estrogen is I would either step both drugs up 100mg each or add in masteron if estro is higher at 200mg.

The Sd I would have in pre workout at 20mg for the last 4 weeks – potentially not every session depending on how it effects your appetite.

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Rest day today – My mums 60th also so we were out this afternoon.

Cardio was walking with the baby – Steps 11k

Meal 1 – beef/eggs/rice
Meal 2 – turkey/Mac oil/rice
Meal 3 – gammon/beef/potato
meal 4 – turkey/Mac oil/rice
Meal 5 – Trainedbyjp vegan whey, free from bread/
meal 6 – beef/eggs/rice

Feel exhausted this afternoon – not sure what is up but I can barely keep my eyes open

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do you have any pictures of your current body compositon.

What is your BP morning and night?

What does your blood work look like on cycle when you are getting these issues?

I will take photo morning and send it to you
Blood pressure 130/75
When im on high test and deca and EQ this where i found i have sleep apnea my blood test abnormalities were lipid and RBC and Haemoglobin and also morning FBG level reach 100 i guess which is why im gained a lot of fat not muscle this is because if aonea
Right now im fine with test 150 primo 300 anavar 40
But still snoring with no apnea
Same body weight right now but different composition even right now i gained 8 kg my morning FBG 85 which the first time i score this at this body weight
Also my blood test right now is okay i mean RBC and Heamooglobin
Hope this helps [/quote]

What time frame did you gain the 8kg

I would need to see a current pic

What cardio do you do.

Snoring can and is caused a lot of peoples body comp Is poor n CV fitness is down IME

Also by rapid weight gain [/quote]

I gained in 11 weeks

Why do you think there is Relationship between snoring and CV fitness?

This current picture for you

But look im snoring even at the start of this gaining phase ! Before I gained 8 kg so im 100% sure that my problem is with water retention i can not handle high test or others anabolic that cause high water retention. This time im okay with primo and anaver but i want to improve my sleeping further. This situation very rare but it affected me i mean all my friends are okay but only me has this problem and it seems also happening to some people when they just start TRT they snore and some of them develop sleep apnea not only snoring ! There are some case studies about this phenomena . This all because of edema in upper airway [/quote]

your responses seem to tell us you already know all the answers so I am unsure why the post.

I know for a fact if one is unhealthy Cv wise and has a poor body comp then snoring is increased or created.

Based on the additional information provided alongside these pics – it very much seems like you have some form of sleep apnea or an airway issue – you would need to be monitored and have some tests/scans done to check this in terms of your throat/jaw lines when sleeping.

Is the snoring actually effecting sleep – are you tracking sleep quality ?

I have had 2 clients go and get fitted for particular mouth guards that removed all snoring due to having issues with the throat/jaw line up when they slept.

It wasn’t there all the time until they gained weight/water – nothing prevented it but the mouth guards [/quote]Yes Hilly i know the problem is water retention but I don’t know how to improve further , sometimes my English cant help me to explain further to you .
Right now with low test and DHT im fine sleep is no longer affected but still snoring when I added 80 mg talmsartin also sleep improved further. But im thinking if I removed extra water retention snore will disappear that what im thinking by raising the dose to 140 mg of talmsartin.
And im using lab snore app to track my sleep.

So if i want to reduce water retention further
I will include cardio to decrease water retention and keep talmsartin 80mg
And maybe include some suona.
And keep using low test and DHT compound
What do you think ? [/quote]
I would get leaner
Get fitter
Keep all else as is as you have seen improvements

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I totally agree with hilly here. We would also need to know your daily output from steps, cardio & your job.

Then we can give you a more definite answer to help you with your question.

10k steps everyday and just going to highshcool at the moment.[/quote]

Do you have any current pics

How much weight have you been gaining weekly [/quote]

Currently a little under a pound a week[/quote]
I wouldn’t change a thing.

You look great.

Keep tapering carbs etc up as you are.

If you find condition slips then pull back a tad

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Ah right ok thanks guys, risk vs reward for Thai boxing probably isn’t worth it then.

There is no real risk to using low/ moderate dose of gh over time imo.

Long as you monitor insulin sensitivity etc

It does improve recovery , body comp over time Etc

There would be some positives for sure.

Nothing drastic but it’s something I would have in if playing any sport at a good level.

Long as I wasn’t breaking rules obv ?

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I totally agree with hilly here. We would also need to know your daily output from steps, cardio & your job.

Then we can give you a more definite answer to help you with your question.

10k steps everyday and just going to highshcool at the moment.[/quote]
Do you have any current pics

How much weight have you been gaining weekly

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[Hilly]

do you have any pictures of your current body compositon.

What is your BP morning and night?

What does your blood work look like on cycle when you are getting these issues?

I will take photo morning and send it to you
Blood pressure 130/75
When im on high test and deca and EQ this where i found i have sleep apnea my blood test abnormalities were lipid and RBC and Haemoglobin and also morning FBG level reach 100 i guess which is why im gained a lot of fat not muscle this is because if aonea
Right now im fine with test 150 primo 300 anavar 40
But still snoring with no apnea
Same body weight right now but different composition even right now i gained 8 kg my morning FBG 85 which the first time i score this at this body weight
Also my blood test right now is okay i mean RBC and Heamooglobin
Hope this helps [/quote]

What time frame did you gain the 8kg

I would need to see a current pic

What cardio do you do.

Snoring can and is caused a lot of peoples body comp Is poor n CV fitness is down IME

Also by rapid weight gain [/quote]

I gained in 11 weeks

Why do you think there is Relationship between snoring and CV fitness?

This current picture for you

But look im snoring even at the start of this gaining phase ! Before I gained 8 kg so im 100% sure that my problem is with water retention i can not handle high test or others anabolic that cause high water retention. This time im okay with primo and anaver but i want to improve my sleeping further. This situation very rare but it affected me i mean all my friends are okay but only me has this problem and it seems also happening to some people when they just start TRT they snore and some of them develop sleep apnea not only snoring ! There are some case studies about this phenomena . This all because of edema in upper airway [/quote]
your responses seem to tell us you already know all the answers so I am unsure why the post.

I know for a fact if one is unhealthy Cv wise and has a poor body comp then snoring is increased or created.

Based on the additional information provided alongside these pics – it very much seems like you have some form of sleep apnea or an airway issue – you would need to be monitored and have some tests/scans done to check this in terms of your throat/jaw lines when sleeping.

Is the snoring actually effecting sleep – are you tracking sleep quality ?

I have had 2 clients go and get fitted for particular mouth guards that removed all snoring due to having issues with the throat/jaw line up when they slept.

It wasn’t there all the time until they gained weight/water – nothing prevented it but the mouth guards

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Was the Test taken IV or finger prick?

I have seen a fair few finger prick readings come back with skewed results that may be the case here.

I would be very surprised if some one had this high estro and no sides

Iv! That’s what I was thinking, I’ll prob go for another test in a couple of weeks[/quote]
It is possible you simply do not get sides however and if this is the case I would look to bring this number down. Just because your not getting sides does not mean its ok to have estro this high IMO

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I would get a full blood panel done first and foremost bud

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