[Hilly]

Cycle for those interested

750mg test

500EQ

SD – 30mg pre gym – using an inject version so it doest impact appetite like the oral seems to

Proviron 50mg daily.

Gh – not added in yet but will be 4-5iu pre gym

Insulin on high days as shown above.

Hey Hilly,

Why are you doing all your gh pré workout ?

Thanks ![/quote]
Hello bud.

Have you read the last couple of pages.

For the first time in a long time I’ve chosen to work with a coach. A very well known guy.

He says gh pre. I say ok

Or what’s the point in hiring him.

It’s something I do at times myself and I can see his potential justification for it.

However I havnt asked – this is what he feels will work best so that’s that I will do.

For some one like myself in this situation it’s super important I don’t question anything to be honest.

You can know to much n create debates with yourself n that leads to changing things because you feel there is a better method.

I get this a lot with clients due to them watching what others do to much.

I’m focused on following his plan 100% to see the outcome

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[Hilly]

I agree. Taking 3 days rest makes sense here.

Could you keep pushing – potentially as a lot of This is really expected at the stage your at.

However the digestion issue would incline me to think a break is suitable.

I much prefer a straight break for most than playing with volume. Getting it right is tricky never mind having the mental ability to not go all out in sets.

3 days out of the gym, some deep tissue and even some active recovery like yoga would be useful or simply just more walks outside.

Physical and mental rest is key. Not just the physical side ime.

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[Hilly]

Much appreciated feedback here.

Kuba, I know it’s best to solve what’s causing the issue which I feel I am doing, it’s just taking longer than expected but do you see an issue with taking 100mg Tren and 100mg NPP?

If you hit the search button there is some great threads on this.

Consensus was to avoid running both for most.

Seems to have quite a hit mentally

I’ve ran it myself n with clients fair while back n all suffered more sides than just running separate n they didn’t provide any supper impressive results to warrant the sides

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[Hilly]

So your at 130-140/100?

What is your body composition like
How much cardio are you doing ?

Are you taking any AAS ?

First move for me.

TrainedByJP love heart
Hibiscus tea bags – 2-3 a day
Hit cardio 4-5 x a week

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[Hilly]

Oh. I should also add. My scales Tuesday at home said 215.5.

2lb lighter than dubai scales

So 215 is the base for this push

218.5 today

Rest day

Steady state cardio – 30 mins

I need to do 4 HIT sessions on a spin bike so need to get one of tgese asap

Going to a local
Gym 2moro to use till I do

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[Hilly]

Will be interesting to see how you find this (different) high volume approach.

With your high dedication I’m sure gains will be crazy!

It’s going to be fun.

The cycle is very similar to what I would do

Gh n insulin Similar

Food is a little different. I’ve realised when doing my own thing all these years I would always make things as easy as possible to suit me if that makes sense

This is going to force me away from that.

Training is the big change n it may not always be like this

I’m tempted to say he’s testing me with that leg session haha.

But I am not one to bitch at things n what’s the point in hiring some one of your not going to do exactly what they recommend.

It’s an issue I see quite a bit.

People hire me then want loads of things changing to suit. Which is part of it but if it gets you away from what the guy your paying wants then what is the point.

I havnt questioned anything. Not one thing.

Same with Scott Stephenson a decade ago.

They say – I do.

I learn based on results n how I feel

Let the fun begin

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[Hilly]

it drastically increased hunger.

It improved sleep

it helped drop BF

I didn’t see any effect on performance or muscle growth from what I could see and I experimented with it alot 8-10 years ago.

It will also speed up gastric emptying.

I see more use for it in a growth phase to aid in hunger that anything else if I am honest.

Thanks for the answer. Do you think it should be used for a longer period of time supplemented with performance enhancers?

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this would depend on the goal/reason for using bud

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[Hilly]

Based on these numbers I dont think dropping down to 200mg would help.

I would drop down to 200mg and add in 200mg masteron – this should see you in a much favourable position and is better on health markers than adding in an AI as well as gains from the cycle

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[Hilly]

I have spoken doctor and waiting for date to see a cardiologist, what do you guys think i should in regards to the cruise i am on.

Should i come off and PCT or continue? I am due inject today but dont know what to do for the best?

I’m happy you’re seeing a cardiologist now.

In My opinion I’d go to test only, 150mg per week. Don’t add to your anxiety any further by coming completely off.

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Thanks for your reply mate. I think i will continue with the cruise i am on of 300mg test U e21d as thats what fits my work life best[/quote]
if you are truly concerned then come off and PCT

Next time ideally choose a better drug to cruise on also :). I am not a fan of Test U

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[Hilly]

Quanta, dimensions, rohm

x 2 plus southern ghost and medtech

I personally wouldn’t use the 2 mentioned

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[Hilly]

Everything to me looks normal – Test is in a good range, estro is mid rang.

The things elevated are barely raised at all so there would be no cause for concern IMO.

LDL – I would increase cardio or add in if not doing some to work on bringing this down naturally.

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[Hilly]

In this situation i would be making sure i take in EAA and carbs such as Trainedbyjp performance fuel intra workout.

Then I would be having a solid meal PWO – ideally a lean meat /fish with rice/potato and keeping carbs as stated above around the 10g mark

Make sure you get the fats you need earlier in the day

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[Hilly]

I run a mixture of Primo and NPP with clients to great effect.

As the others have said what Jordan does is unique for him and what he finds best for his physique – this will not be the case for alot of people

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[Hilly]

For me just the test and primo would be ample.

Then as Kuba states drop the primo for NPP when looking to grow – However I would only go in at 200-300mg first and re asses estrogen at week 5 before considering dose escalation

you ma find estro is to high and it would make sense to drop the test down a bit and up the NPP or bring in masteron alongside

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[Hilly]

Personally i would go 15iu with meal 1 on T days
I would leave out on r days for now

Monitor your fasting BG over 7-10 days.

Try and set up the Rest days so the BG management is better – maybe no carbs meal 1 or last for example

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