[Hilly]

@Hilly just to update you. Redid bloods; my test level is now 13,4 compared to 8 a month ago. So that is a good sign I guess ?

This is good – it is slowly getting better 🙂

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[Hilly]

Trainedbyjp vital support is a must IMO.

These numbers wouldn’t cause me any concern tho as long as they didn’t get worse. Vital support would improve these IME>

ITs either under doses or you as an individual are just metabolising in a certain way and this is all your going to get from that dose which is uncommon but not unheard of

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[Hilly]

Agree with max here – i have found inject versions of these compounds usually have less effect on appetite and sides in general.

Potentially due to reduced liver stress and toxicity would be my theory

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[Hilly]

Hey mate you should be all good – split it over 2-3 shots across the week and unlikely to have any issues but keep some nolvadex incase

Agree with darren.

For clients I always recommend twice a week dosing in these situations.

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[Hilly]

There are arguments for both here.

If you ar just using say 250mg test then in reality alot will be fine with just once a week – it may take a little longer for all hormones to stabilise and you may get slightly more sides during the initial 4 weeks

if you are sensitive to estrogen then splitting 2-3 times a week is going to help IMO.

There was a time when it was recommended to do your shots once per week to get higher swings in hormones to aid in better growth and there is some decent argument for this.

However the people I saw test this approach and document it all reported an increase in sides to.

I have done this myself and also noticed this.

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[Hilly]

Hi buddy, as long as your still progressing on this cycle and having a good break inbetween cycles and getting bloods done and eveything is in check I see no reason to change!

fully agree.

If you are progressing at a good rate, performance is good and blood work is good then your good IMO

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[Hilly]

Today was a medium day meal plan – 5750kcal, 503p, 646c, 127f

1 – beef/eggs/COR/nut butter/omega pro

2 – chicken/rice/coconut oil/banana – pre gym

Intra -Trainedbyjp EAA 25g and 30g performance fuel with creatine and taurine – inject L car pre gym

PWO – 25g EAA, 1 scoop Vegan, HMB, 100g carbs from COR

4 – lamb/cooked jasmine rice – this was in a restaurant for my birthday with charl and Arilena

5 – chicken/rice/Mac oil/saurkraut

6 – beef/eggs/jasmine rice

7 – shake during the night – Trainedbyjp vegan whey and free from oats – not sure if these are going to sit right but he wants me to try so try I will.

More beef than I would usually eat again due to digestion but he has recommend some digestion things that he feels may help and if not we shall change things

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Travel day wasnt to bad at all – Arilena was a little star again.

We landed at 6:30pm and was home for 7:30 – had to go and get food etc for today and then had work to do as the emirate’s wifi wouldn’t pick up one of my emails annoyingly.

So bed was 11p, which technically was 3am Dubai time and then I was up with Arilena at 4:30am so today has been another long day and is also my birthday.

worked 8-11 and then spent some time wth the girls before training arms and then we went for a late lunch before my mum came over.

Arms was all giant set work.

5 exercises for Biceps – 4 sets – Reps 15 first set, then 12, then 10, then 8 – so alot of volume and pump was nuts.

Triceps was the same

Then there was 5 sets of wide grip pull downs pyramiding up – last 2 to failure.

Steps are now reduced – AJ wants me hitting around 9-10k which won’t be an issue

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[Hilly]

I have seen myself and clients switch to vital support from other products and watched there blood work improve.

I would be choosing this over anything else IME

Thanks Buddy.

So you would choose half dose of vital and love heart before a full dos of support Max? Is what u are saying. [/quote]

Yes but I would use full dose vital support unless I’d tested my bloods n 1/2 dose was enough for me personally

No point taking 1/2 the dose of it isn’t doing what you need is there [/quote]

Okey buddy so full dos vital and not do love heart then? [/quote]

if your blood work and BP show you need it then why would you not use it?[/quote]

I have not tested. Just started the cykel. Want to be safe.[/quote]
Then use it but test if you truly want to be safe. Don’t guess

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[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

Thank you, Riz and Max. So if someone wants to try more nandrolone in a cycle to have a more anabolic effect (becoming nandrolone base), is it better for side effects to lower testosterone completely? Or is it more trial and error?

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[Hilly]

RBC markers are a tiny bit raised but if BP is ok then I wouldn’t stress this. However taking Vital support will more than likely bring this down into range naturally.

Liver/kidneys etc all look fine – the Kidney markers are likely from higher muscle mass, higher protein intake and some potential dehydration. These markers are 9/10 always like this in people who do what we do

HDL – barely out of range but common to happen on any dose of synthetic AAS – I would make sure getting 7-10g omega pro b y Trainedbyjp but you may never see better than it currently is.

TSH is high telling us the thyroid is having to work pretty dam hard/getting alot of signalling to make more thyroid hormones – your Free t4 is ok and your free t3 is on the lower side of normal. A doctors visit may be a good idea here

Would you use vital support / IP6 only when blood work shows elevated RBC or always like precaution ? [/quote]
If one uses any form of synthetic drug that stresses these markets

I would always be using vital support to counter any stress.

Waiting for an issue to develop before you act never made sense to me.

If I can keep numbers perfect all the time then I will.

Which as you can see from my blood work I do thanks to TrainedByJP vital support n others

Can’t remember how long it’s been since I had any issues on blood work that meant I had to adjust things to counter it

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[Hilly]

Of course it is buddy.

Weeks ago would of made more sense.

Why have you sat for 12 weeks with such low Test level

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[Hilly]

Hi Dean.

So for a beginner cycle.

We want a long ester ideally as I’m assuming your new to injections.

So we want test at ideally 250mg -300mg a week at maximum dosage here for you.

We want to pin Monday and Thursday for now as your new to Injecting.

Pinning glutes you need a 1 inch orange ideally.

You might get away with a orange 5/8 in glute if your body fat is very low.

We want also 5/8 orange pins for delts

So you want yo rotate your injection sites from the get go.

Monday left glute

Thursday right glute

Week after

Monday left shoulder

Thursday right shoulder

This will allow plenty of time between injection sites.

Also keep a full health stack and run this year round ideally to keep the best health possible while cycling.

Stick to a test e or test c for your first cycle

Keep tamoxifen on hand if any gyno issues do come up. Better to be safe than sorry

Also we want to run blood 4/6 weeks into cycle and see where blood levels are at so we can adjust things if needed.

X2

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[Hilly]

Sounds like it’s not primo to
Me tbh

However it’s impossible to truly say

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