[Hilly]

What digestion issues are you experiencing is the first question

Change in bowel movements
Bloat
Gas

What drugs if any are you using

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[Hilly]

I would go with 200mg test and 150-200mg masteron in this situation TBH as the mast will likely aid in Perfomance to an extent as well as control estrogen

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[Hilly]

I’d drop the nandrolone, keep it simple – 300 test, 400-500 primo, and use something like join-in and osteopro for joints, as that will make just as much or even more benefits than the deca will – which is masking the pain whilst they actually help repair

You shouldn’t need any ai’s or tamoxifen with this

Thanks for the reply. I actually run join in daily, I’ve even doubled the dose for a spell but still no improvement. I’m having shockwave therapy on my elbow every fortnight or so which is improving but when on deca that’s the only thing that allows me to train fully with no pain, currently can’t even press properly. [/quote]

It’s a 2 way argument here

Is the deca helping or just masking n thus making it worse.

Look into bpc 157 n tb500 imo

Hold off until you can train properly

However if feel this is the best live imo 200mg deca should be enough for the joint relief ime [/quote]

I’ll look into them things Hilly, really appreciate your response [/quote]

@Hilly what’s the typical dosage, frequency sub q or intramuscular etc? Sorry it’s completely alien to me [/quote]
There is a video i did on this topic covering all the basics that will be worth a watch on this site

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Cheers Hilly, just because my maths is shocking what total dosages per week are we talking here? But just for reference I broke out in severe acne at 125mg of test per week so my backs scarred and I really don’t want to make it any worse hence the nandralone only but your right I can’t keep doing it all the time so I’m keen to try your idea out[/quote]
so potentially try half that dose would be my suggestion and micro dose it daily.

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[Hilly]

Makes very little sense to use in a diet settting, you will retain water with npp too just not to same extent as test.

Testoserone shouldn’t give you too much water unless you are simply using too much.

makes sense!

I’ve really noticed that when I raise testosterone to over 400-500mg the only additional thing I gain is retention!

so i thought i would use much lower dosages of test and add nandrolone for more anabolism.

unfortunately in my country it is impossible to get a legitimate primo[/quote]
This would make sense form an anabolism side of things and you could certainly use it for the initial phase of the prep – However I would be dropping it the last 8 weeks minimum for something like masteron –

However on that low dose of test you would crash Estro more than likely so may need to raise the Test some what based on bloods

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Speak to your doctor – Looks like your thyroid is struggling some what – in basic terms

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[Hilly]

Weight today back to 220 so extra carbs did there job yesterday.

Work day today

Trained legs

Adductor – 3 warm ups and then 3 heavy sets of 10

Seated ham curls – 2 warm ups and then 4 heavy sets of 8

Extensions – 2 warm ups and then 5 heavy sets of 8

Leg press – 2 warm ups and then 5 heavy sets of 8 –

walking lunges with just BW – 2 sets of 40 steps.

Hotel gym today – wasn’t going to waste hour and half traveling back and forth to train SF when I could get that time with Arilena around the pool.

Great session considering the kit available etc.

Away we go

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I’d drop the nandrolone, keep it simple – 300 test, 400-500 primo, and use something like join-in and osteopro for joints, as that will make just as much or even more benefits than the deca will – which is masking the pain whilst they actually help repair

You shouldn’t need any ai’s or tamoxifen with this

Thanks for the reply. I actually run join in daily, I’ve even doubled the dose for a spell but still no improvement. I’m having shockwave therapy on my elbow every fortnight or so which is improving but when on deca that’s the only thing that allows me to train fully with no pain, currently can’t even press properly. [/quote]
It’s a 2 way argument here

Is the deca helping or just masking n thus making it worse.

Look into bpc 157 n tb500 imo

Hold off until you can train properly

However if feel this is the best live imo 200mg deca should be enough for the joint relief ime

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Also what drugs are you taking ?

Are they a mix that’s causing the issue ?

What was BP before the drugs added ?

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So for me I would be doing more cardio including HIT and focusing on bringing my body fat down.

I would look to add in 20mg telmisartan

Then rechecking 3 x a week over 6 weeks

Full blood count to that list as a said. Looking at RBC etc etc

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@Hilly I would be interested to here your opinion always great answers

Honestly bud. How many friends do you have to ask questions for ?

His liver is stressed still.

He’s off all drugs and it’s out of range.

This is not ideal that much is obvious.

Surely you know by now he needs to take liver support and focus on bringing this down.

Plus 250mg per week of test only imo should not be causing any noticeable stress.

My numbers were in range on 6 times this dosing thanks to TrainedByJP vital support

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[Hilly]

I asked why do you want to ?

Why do you feel

It’s better for you ?

This would give an indication of if it’s a good idea.

My opinion is everyone should cycle on and off for there first cycle or 2.

Learn to go through the process and have to keep your gains as best you can.

Before you potentially create a situation we’re you need Trt for life

i think its better for me because progres will be faster and much more effective[/quote]
There you go then. Decision made in reality.

It’s your just at the end of the day.

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