[Hilly]

I would increase frequency personally

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I can’t see pics. Can you send me on insta n will reply on here

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[Hilly]

Thank you for all the replies! I really appreciate it.

When it comes to my protein sources, I keep things very simple. I’m not a fan of overcomplicating my diet.

I mainly rely on turkey breast, chicken breast, and whey isolate.

When I increase my protein intake, I don’t change the sources — everything stays exactly the same.

When I lower my protein, I also adjust potassium accordingly, so I’ve honestly analyzed this from every possible angle 😅

Please let us see your entire meal plan.

If your carb and veg sources are higher in fibre then higher protein will lead to digestion issues in some as protein also takes longer to digest.

Maybe it’s a combo of the other food choices you use plus the elevated protein

Or have you assessed n changed this also ?

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[Hilly]

The primo is my own add in for E2.

I have the blood work done just waiting to get the results back.

I have been considering deca and Dbol, but was looking for more guidance on dosing or if other compound were better.

Can definitely up the dose after blood work comes in.

Can add just 1 or both , there are no rules.

If it’s first time using I would add in 1 at a time tho to asses response.

I would await bloods on current set up and then personally go 100-150mg nandrolone. If E2 is already on the higher side primo will need to go up to

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[Hilly]

My first question is do you understand how these drugs work and what is going on ? This isn’t a dick question but genuine as it will help you better design cycles.

Test aromatises

Nandrolone aromatises

Test plus nandrolone aromatises more so than on there own we seem to find.

Masteron in general does nothing to aromatise.

You are clearly seeing E2 rise to high for You as an Individual as your not designing the cycle with the correct drugs to control E2 enough for you.

Primo or EQ will be much wiser options here.

Can still keep some masteron in also if wish.

Based on recent run a better choice would be

350 test

300 mast

300 primo or 150mg eq and additional 150mg masteron if trying to keel total load similar.

You can n should get bloods done to better understand how your body responds so you can better design your cycles specifically to suit you.

Hey bro yeah I have a fair understanding of hours the drugs aromatise I just didn’t realise to what degree 😂. I thought the Masteron would have helped to desensitise the receptor or either help with some E2 conversion but probably not to the degree I was expecting lol. I got bloods done just before I started the growth phase (end of health phase) but I might give it a week then get full bloods done again and have a look at the numbers.

Cheers for the reply

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Mast for most doesn’t do jack to lower E2 it can just stop some binding at receptor sites

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I think you could keep in 400 eq as suggested , and then also adding 50mg a day test prop , and once you feel e2 rising again which it should after a few days of the prop , you can decide on the next move , which make be changing nothing and staying on the 800 test e , 350 test p , 400 eq

Thank you guys for the help. Ill try this. Do any of you know how long it might take for the joints to feel better?

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Quicker you get E2 up the quicker they will get better. 2-6 weeks depending on how you go abt it

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[Hilly]

If EQ does nothing for your E2 I’m presuming you handle high e2 with no sides ?

How do your cycles normally look ?
How much do you weigh ?

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Heavy ish cycle
Layout and drug choice looks good
Ratio looks good if this works well for you.

Don’t see any issues overall. Personally I’d have the slin pre not post I think but that’s it

If your rolling straight into a cut and blood work is good n E2 is good no real need to change anything initially

One may switch NPP to tren
May switch GH up to spread over the day
May remove oxy for Var
May increase Adex over time.

Impossible for us to be accurate here as we don’t know you now can predict how things will progress.

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There is no issues with that total mg for most, the way most look a a cruise or trt + as some like to call it is usually around the 300mg total mark, for most people they can keep blood work in a perfect place on that total load no issues.

its then just about splitting the dose that works best for keeping your hormones/E2 were you want it.

personally for me 150mg test and 100mg primo would drive E2 to low but I have a client that sits perfect on it. You just need to figure out were you sit best

Thank you Peter,. Appreciated as always

If the 150 T:100 P ratio Would knock E2 too low, would you increase the test to 200mg + 100mg primo to keep within the max 300mg weekly amount or keep test at 150mg and lower primo to avoid adverse effects of cardiovascular fitness – seeing as thats a priority atm?

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That question is totally up to you mate.

I know im all good blood work wise at 300mg total so I’m taking the higher load as I always favour doing all I can to progress muscle mass

If your goal is different then less primo may be the best move

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[Hilly]

I wonder if you have some form of access in there that your not aware of and when your jabbing it your aggravating it as they can sit in pockets and your unaware.

I had a client that had a lump on his glute he said had been there circa 2 years, wasnt big at all and only noticed it when was very very lean for the first time. Turned out was a pocket of puss that needed draining.

just thinking of what it could be as its obviously something that has happened a few times and im presuming its not the gear as you would of tried different brands to see and doesnt cause the issue in any other muscle area?

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[Hilly]

There is no issues with that total mg for most, the way most look a a cruise or trt + as some like to call it is usually around the 300mg total mark, for most people they can keep blood work in a perfect place on that total load no issues.

its then just about splitting the dose that works best for keeping your hormones/E2 were you want it.

personally for me 150mg test and 100mg primo would drive E2 to low but I have a client that sits perfect on it. You just need to figure out were you sit best

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[Hilly]

Full cycle info and then one of us will help you get sorted . It can be fixed very quickly don’t worry

Im on 800test e 700 eq, 5 iu gh

Somehow this ratio have worked before but now in veryvery lean

I have so many symptoms of low e2 my joints have really taken a hit

Will do bloodwork today, should I just pin more test after ive pulled bloods? Results prob come in 5 days.

Would injecting some test p get me more e2 faster while the longer ester increase make more time to build up?

Maybe 2:1 ratio of test/eq?

Im feeling more terrible for everyday

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You have defo crashed E2 hard here.

Imo I would simply drop all eq for 3 maybe 4 weeks and then bring back in EQ at 400mg.

Other option if you can source Dbol is to bring in 30-50mg daily for 4-6 weeks and drop EQ back to 400mg from now. [/quote]

I dont have dbol but can try source, i do have some test p, could that help? How long will it take to feel better?[/quote]
As j says the test P will also work if you have to hand and then you wont need to drop down the Eq at all and just transition to 400mg

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[Hilly]

Friday –

Physio last night on this tendon issue at the tricep insertion site which involved lots of scraping and was pretty rough. We discussed it alot and concluded it must be something I’m doing in the gym since I moved gyms as thats when it started and just won’t go away.

so todays session I spent alot of time looking at the kit I use and stupidly enough its an easy spot I think. I rarely normally shoulder press due to my badly torn pec but in monster they have a cybex shoulder press I can use with the narrow grip and have been hitting his twice a week since I joined there. Soon as I touched it today the site burned and hurt so it’s defo this piece of kit I feel. Back to no shoulder pressing for me.

5 meals in today and due to weight dropping I ran a medium day – simply 50g carbs with the usual carb free meals so 3 and 100g carbs instead of 50g with the usual 2 carb meals and then my usual 100g around training from carb powder.

Session was ok considering tendon pain.

side raise machine – 6 sets of 8 pyramid up, last 2 hitting failure
machine press – several light sets here on 2 different machines working out if it was defo the cause of issue.
standing DB fat grip laterals – x 20f, x 14F

overhand PD – x 8, x 8, x 9F
Seated Upper back row -x8, x8, x 7F
V grip cable row – x 8, x8, x 12F

cybex chest press – 6 x 10-12 sets, just last one to failure. That left pec/lat still feels funny and tendons hurting so just stuck with this machine and did more volume.

overall shitty session really but at least I got in and trained and figured out the tendon issue cause or hopefully.

have as of yesterday also added in 5 amino 1 at 1mg per day to run alongside the Mots C and reta while I finish this cruise out. So far pretty impressed and as I’m still pushing fat loss I want to asses the benefits here and if I notice anything.

bloods to be done next thursday and then ill creep into a cycle – full intention of pushing as lean as I can get for the next 4 weeks

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Do you take Tbjp cute coming ? If so I would double dose.

I would also get some tb500 and bpc from proforma and run 6-8 weeks of this.

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[Hilly]

Simply increase your current dose ?

Test is still way under top end of range and under mid range.

Very simple fix here , try 175mg.

Then 200mg

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