[Hilly]

Can I ask were you both had this done if in the UK

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[Hilly]

I believe normal your in the moderate range.

I would drop to a trt range and work on improving this and getting it in a good range.

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[Hilly]

If you feel better and perform better at 250g from direct sources then stay there.

If going to 300-330 makes you feel worse , perform worse then it’s not worth it.

Have you tried altering protein sources n looking at digestion when pushing protein higher ?

What did 330g per day meal plan look like

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[Hilly]

Yeah that’s what I always thought, doesn’t make sense why guys like Paul Carter and other promote this stay lean, eat at maintenance to get bigbig

Have you seen any one ever post a legit transformation of some one that has done it tho.

Most of that lil group didn’t do it to get the physique they have

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IMO if you normally feel the usual sides from Clen and with this your not then it’s bunk.

Sides from Clen never change. If you get them like 95% do then you always get them

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[Hilly]

If blood work is good I’d stay on and get straight into growing

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[Hilly]

My first question is do you understand how these drugs work and what is going on ? This isn’t a dick question but genuine as it will help you better design cycles.

Test aromatises
Nandrolone aromatises

Test plus nandrolone aromatises more so than on there own we seem to find.

Masteron in general does nothing to aromatise.

You are clearly seeing E2 rise to high for You as an Individual as your not designing the cycle with the correct drugs to control E2 enough for you.

Primo or EQ will be much wiser options here.

Can still keep some masteron in also if wish.

Based on recent run a better choice would be

350 test
300 mast
300 primo or 150mg eq and additional 150mg masteron if trying to keel total load similar.

You can n should get bloods done to better understand how your body responds so you can better design your cycles specifically to suit you.

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[Hilly]

Did the doc prescribe the primo to or did you add this in as this is a recipe for low E2 with this combo.

I would run bloods first. Check health markers n were test level is and e2.

Then first step would likely be 300mg test and 150mg primo of the current is the only AAS you have ever ran.

It then becomes a case of monitoring / assessing and judging how far you want to go and how aggressive you want to be.

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[Hilly]

Full cycle info and then one of us will help you get sorted . It can be fixed very quickly don’t worry

Im on 800test e 700 eq, 5 iu gh

Somehow this ratio have worked before but now in veryvery lean

I have so many symptoms of low e2 my joints have really taken a hit

Will do bloodwork today, should I just pin more test after ive pulled bloods? Results prob come in 5 days.

Would injecting some test p get me more e2 faster while the longer ester increase make more time to build up?

Maybe 2:1 ratio of test/eq?

Im feeling more terrible for everyday

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You have defo crashed E2 hard here.

Imo I would simply drop all eq for 3 maybe 4 weeks and then bring back in EQ at 400mg.

Other option if you can source Dbol is to bring in 30-50mg daily for 4-6 weeks and drop EQ back to 400mg from now.

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Fully agree with all of the above – phones are just the worse distraction. Then its about focusing in on what you need to do, the work that needs to be achieved and nothing else

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[Hilly]

it matters alot yes as what ever you do last you will have much less energy for that what you do first.

so normally we prioritise body parts that want more focus first.

if all areas need focus then we have different rotations were body part focus is adjusted session to session.

for example 3 x FB rotations if you have good arms and need to prioritise everything else or they grow with less volume.

first wth legs first
second with back first
third with maybe chest then delts

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[Hilly]

Comparable in what way.

Imo test and Nandrolone will build more muscle than test alone.

Some will feel better on one than the other based on how they handle the drugs

Compared in how much estrogen they will produce 25test 60 nand vs 75/100 test ed.

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Potentially the same but as we all react differently it’s impossible to say.

not only does your own genetic response dictate that mainly but also how lean or fat you are plays a role.

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[Hilly]

Can I add a question here?

If one has never touched these compounds before and only ran 300 test.

What would a start point be for a massing phase you guys would recommend?

I got npp, primo and eq on hand but never used it. Only test.

Test 300, Eq 100 and NPP 150 – split MWF or daily

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[Hilly]

1400 test

700 Eq

300 npp

This imo would be perfect if you are lean

Im with Kuba here – i would then check hormones at week 8 and adjust the ratio if needed based on the results and were your E2 etc is as well as how you feel and look

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[Hilly]

You can still reverse slowly and hold onto composition, that way you’re slotting more food into your setup allowing you to also progressively push training up within the cruise. Once it’s time to “push” then your composition and food will already be in a good spot where you can then add PEDs or push food further

Thanks!

Main question still stands to if you think Ill be lean enough in 5 weeks or if the push should continue 🥴🤔

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Based on look now and weight you predict you will drop I think so

But come n ask again in 5 weeks is the only way to truly answer bud

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