[Hilly]

Second thread. Same response

What is goal

Previous drug use

Pics

Weight

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[Hilly]

For what ?

We don’t know your goals ? What you look like ? Weight ?

How can any one advise bud ?

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[Hilly]

That’s actually mental where have you got your information to do this as a first cycle?! ?? my first cycle was 10 weeks on 250 test and gained 20lbs, start small, train hard and eat properly that’s all you need

Well guys, i mean this is my first full injectable cycle for off season… ?

Before i have done 2 prep for a show using very little test – HGH – anavar

Many thanks for your input, very informative comments ????

The idea behind this cycle is to avoid the estrogen load adding some compounds together with test..

Defintely i will skip Arimidex and NPP

The old school approach was to use Test and Primo only…thats why i was opting for this cycle[/quote]
This cycle would be very estro heavy bud using these compounds over the week imo

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What is food intake – cutting ? Growing ?

What is job ?

Are you tired all
Day or at specific times ?

How high is quality of sleep

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[Hilly]

See if we had the test level we could advise better.

Maybe mast isn’t mast.

Mast test is super high for some reason

I would up mast to 400mg personally

Make sure injects are MWF

Retest in 4 weeks – test n estro

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Chances of a UGL being faked is very slim imho

Much more likely simply bad batches

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I have had this issue many times mate. I am sure it’s down to high RBC and hematocrit. Donate blood and see if it helps, it did for me. Failing that I would check your Thyroid as hyperthyroidism can cause similar effects

You had the same symptoms? [/quote]

Similar mate yes. Thyroid came back fine but RBC and hematocrit was high, only slightly elevated as your is on your bloods above. Book in to donate blood mate it may help and if it’s doesn’t atleast you’ve let blood which us AAS users should do often anyway [/quote]

Agree [/quote]

And if this persists after donating ? [/quote]
I wiuld be at a loss and do what every one does with a worrying medical issue – See my doctor

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We would need some background bud on why your doing this?

What caused your sleep schedule to be set up like this?

what have you tried so far?

I have a pretty good video on my IGTV on sleep health and ways of improving it.

However this is a strange situation unless you work nights and are finding coming off of them difficult

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Never in my life have I seen a cycle like this I dont think and I can’t for the life of me see the logic in it no matter which angle I try and create some justification and im usually good at doing that lol

Run with the advice above IMO

Run test at 300mg split over 2 injects.

Test bloods at week 5-6 – See were your testosterone/estrogen is – Asses progress.

Then make a decision on if you need to change anything based on all of this information.

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Hey man,

This is what I would do/recommend. I know a lot of guys would agree with me on this.

1. 300mg Test – this is actually all you need to grow and grow at a decent pace. If you stagnate add point 2 and 3 below.

2. 200mg Mast or Primo

3. 25mg Proviron

Run for 6 to 8 weeks, check bloods, if all good push on and continue. You can run this for pretty long and get slow steady quality gains from this.

Drop the orals, stay away from an AI like arimidex as much as possible. Rather use the DHT derivatives to modulate E2 if it is necessary.

Let bloodwork and health determine the way forward.

Agree with points 1 and 2 but point 3 will be of no use if you have stagnated.

i would Rin the duration if you are going to use proviron for its ability to increased free test.

However as masteron IME already does this I would consider the proviron a waste unless one finds it helps libido and they are having issues but on this cycle they should not be unless estrogen is to low.

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Hi Hilly, thanks for your voice note.

I think I have not worded it correctly from the start maybe.

My natural test levels are low and I wrongly had it in my head that TRT was the way to go.

The whole point of me having my bloods checked was because I was considering a test only cycle. When they came back low, in my head I was thinking about replacing the test I’m missing but I do in fact want to raise it above the natural levels as I am wanting to gain muscle.

I’ve been training around 17-18 years but completely natural for the last 10 years.

As I said above I was thinking of doing the sustanon300 from SG, using 150mg twice a week.

Do this for 10-12 weeks and then pct and get bloods checked again.

I’ve been reading the forum over the last few weeks just trying to gain some more knowledge.

Thank you, Steve [/quote]
yeh i got all of this as i said in my VN –

So I agree with you thoughts on 300mg Test split over 2 x 150mg injects

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That NPP is crashed bud – its basically where the compound cannot stay stable and then crystallises…

Now imagine you re heat the gear…

It sorts it self out…

You pin it…

And it crystallises in ya pinning spot ? trust me I’ve done it. It’s not nice.

Haha me and you both remember – OUCH

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