[Hilly]

What is BG

On wake
90 mins post a balanced meal

Before bed

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[Hilly]

Hey buddy personally I would have things set up a little differently but theres definitely more than one way to do things successfully.

My preference would be similar weekly dosage to start.

300mg Test

400mg primo/Mast

150mg NPP

I would then look at every 3-4 weeks progress the test dosage 50mg and the NPP dosage 50mg if body composition still good, no negative sides. And health markers are solid. You could progress the primo up to 6-700mg here

Working up to approx 1400mg Total load and run that for 6-8 weeks.

For context I’m not on 500mg of test at 150kg 335lbs this AM – but my Primo is a lot higher. I started at 600mg primo I feel the best I’ve ever felt in cycle

I appreciate this feedback. We ideally were trying to stick to two compounds for this cycle mainly due to lack of AAS experience and wanted to be able to easily tease out what works and what doesn’t.

I personally feel great at 500mg Test, no undesirable sides yet but just about a month in.

I just wanted to make sure at my level, something like 300mg primo wasn’t going to waste. Thanks brotha![/quote]

Hello bud.

It’s not a waste, drugs work period.

My potential issue here however is the primo is likely not enough to control the Estrogen from that dose of test.

See your test dose is enough to grow from.

Your primo will have an anabolic effect , increase nitrogen retention and control Estrogen some what. However likely not enough.

The primo will work at this dose. It works at any dose.

However I imagine Jordan was relating to effect / optimal dosing to drive maximal results I imagine n the common dose for this with primo would be higher.

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Thanks Hilly, I figured he was referring to max muscle protein synthesis, just had me skeptical of my own dose when I came across it.

Although I’d be open to push more primo, I’m going to wait until 6ish weeks in and bloods come back.

I typically let estrogen run on the higher side if no sides are present. If necessary I do have aromasin and nolva on deck in case it needs to be implemented but that’s only if necessary since lipids are a concern for me.

Either way, thanks for the reassurance bc that’s what I logically thought as well but ask didn’t want to waste money on an expensive AAS[/quote]
Agree with your thinking.

This is what I would do to in terms of increasing dosing over time

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[Hilly]

@Hilly didnt you tried eq as an estrogen controller right?

yes i did, I am sure you must of seen me post this both in the forum and in my journal.

However it was not while using Test and NPP but I would imagine it would work as well – However I have not tested this personally.

it worked extremely well.

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[Hilly]

Ive just had a client report exactly the same – Similar dosing and very similar T number

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[Hilly]

its a tricky situation as the body is producing Test and is in range just the low end yet Lh and FSH are in the gutter

Personally I would Run the Pct properly and start with HCG as we want those LH and FSh numbers coming up and I feel this would do this quicker than anything else.

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[Hilly]

Still having this problem now . Anyone care to help ?

Could you provide the information that was asked before

Blood pressure on wake and in the evening.

Have you had blood work done to check RBC etc

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Thanks for your reply hilly, how should I overcome this binge? Should I lower food food for the next few days to remove water weight put on? How much can you actually put on in 1 single day?[/quote]
just get back on plan bud – things will level out over time

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[Hilly]

being able to add muscle and dropping body fat at the same time is IMO only possible in general when a huge change in stimulus is force the body to do both.

This is usually achieved when one is coming from an untrained state into a trained state – IE newer person to training/using steroids as it create a change in how the body utilises its nutrition and a huge drive in demand.

if one changes the type of training they are doing drastically or they play about with supplements but in general it is better for most to focus on just cutting fat or growing muscle.

IMO most that focus on just cutting BF and drastically improve things like effort in the gym , execution in the gym, there macros and meal plan becoming much more focused and efficient will see some form of additional muscle mass as they come down when using AAS.

The focus should always be on improving strength while keeping perfect form no matter the training approach.

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[Hilly]

its so hard to answer these questions.

firstly it depends on how the prep goes as to what chnges you will make if any to drug amounts – So its almost impossible to say what needs doing this far in advance

I see no need to increase the dose of primo TBH

I would be worried estrogen may be to low early on also.

I agree with max I see little need for an A I apart form maybe the last few weeks again based on how fat loss is and if there are any stubborn areas that seem to be holding

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[Hilly]

I have long time ago. Didn’t feel great.

Have done with a couple clients while back to.

Good changes to physique

Not fun health wise.

Wouldn’t do or recommend again

Intresting when you say health wise do you mean internal blood markers or physical sides? May i ask what they where?

Would you just pick one of them and add mast maybe? Dont want to feel bad on cycle if can help it counter productive isnt it[/quote]
BP was high
mentally it wasnt great

I would just do the Test and low dose NPP our of these drugs

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[Hilly]

It depends as what you are counting as cardio.

For me this would simply go down as my LISS cardio/steps and is no different to me walking to the gym so I would be counting it as this.

if its anything taxing remotely I would prefer it PWO personally if it must be done at the gym

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No weight taken today.

Meal plan on point just a little moved around with meals due to an issue with my Mac book.

i updated it and now its saying I can’t use public wifi due to security issues FFS – so am only able to access WIFI if it is password protected and have no idea how to correct this so I lost just under 2 hours of my day as I had gone to a cafe to work – not happy at all

Any one with a fix I would be forever grateful.

Trained in hotel gym due to this also – thankfully its a decent enough set up.

Back

Cable pull overs – 3 work sets of 10 increasing 1 block each time in weight

1 arm lat focused pull down – x 8, x 8, x 7

1 arm seated machine row – pyramid up to the stack getting 15 on the last set – these were all sets of 10

Seated upper back row – 3 sets of 12-15 on the stack

wide grip pull downs – x 20, x 18, x 15

Cable shrugs – 2 x 20

Great pump

I won’t be able to train back in here again tho due to lack of weight.

Not the ideal day but not terrible

Supplements landed so GH went in 2.5iu
first jab of a rip blend will go in 2moro AM
Clen will start 2moro

Steps 18k on my phone so more than likely around 20k

Cardio was 40 minutes fasted plus stretching and calfs – will rotate calfs and abs each morning

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Blood work for any one interested

Pretty much perfect thanks to TrainedByJP supplements

I feel fine on this estro level / bloody great actually

HDL- not much I can do about this it seems when in cycle

LDL- will be adding in red yeast extract

Hey hilly how many days of rest you do before check blood ? [/quote]
Personally I do just 2 usually and try and time it so the last session is the arm day I currently have and I see no issues in my bloods doing this

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[Hilly]

Hey Peter !

How many times per week would you advise checking blood pressure ?

Cheers

I have clients do mine 3 x a week on wake – If there are issues we check it on wake and evening also and then based on this look to I improve

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[Hilly]

I can’t see either

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