[Hilly]

Looks like you are doing it wrong way round to be bud.

Hcg first

Then clomid daily

Check the sticky thread on here bud. In this section actually on pct

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Thanks bud appreciate that [/quote]
My pleasure

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ok great thanks alot. is gh a safer alternative than AAS? or are the results too weak?

It’s not an alternative at all in reality

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food sources look ok if they digest well.

If its helping you reach your goal then I see it as ok.

I would be having some added fats in that last meal TBH

Are you natural or enhanced as this fan intake is on the lower side.

However all of this is irrelevant as we dont know what the goal of the meal plan is

Hi Hilly mate, thanks for taking the time to reply ?

I am natural, and the goal is just to progressively and patiently gain roughly 0.5lb a week until appetite goes or I get fat, whichever happens first. As the above post says, this is giving rise to an average 200g gain a week at the moment.

Total fat when all incidental macros are included is 70g. I am running 2-on 1-off, with rest day total fat adding up to 100g. So this puts me at an average fat intake of 80g across the 3day period. Would you see value in increasing fat on TD above 60g from direct sources/70g total when indirect are included?

Does having higher fat (100g total/90g from direct sources) on RD allow me to run fat lower on TD, or does it not quite work that way.

Thanks for your time mate[/quote]

Makes a lot of sense what you are saying with regard to consistent fat intake to support hormone function. Appreciate it Hilly mate, will reshuffle the fats PWO, move to 70-80g daily of fat and change the intra as you have suggested. Cheers for taking the time and providing feedback ?

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My pleasure

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Thank you and I do apologise for the stupid question. It is a bad habit I have and I really appreicate everyone input

There are no stupid questions buddy.

It’s what we are here for

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I can’t see any pics. Could you try again please

here are my pics, will attach bw in a different comment, sorry it didn’t work lol[/quote]

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Thanks a bunch Hilly. I was thinking the exact same thing with the e2; I am pinning e3d right now and my e2 has just always been high, even when I was natty it was out of range.

However, the only side I’ve ever dealt with really is a lack of libido, which doesn’t bother me that much. Thanks for the input and I think that 200 test 100 primo is what I’ll run for the first 10 weeks.

In addition to this, when I’m running a lower “trt” dose, would you recommend some aromasin use if my e2 always comes back high? Would a DHT like mast or primo be useful in a small amount? How would you dose either of those?[/quote][/quote]

Hey Hilly,

I know at this point this is the longest, most drawn out forum ever lol, but I can’t see your voice memo other than a short clip of it. Sorry for dragging this out.

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Haha its cool – See above[/quote]

Alright, sounds good. Going to focus on getting a good bit leaner than I am now and will retest bloods then. If e2 is still high when I’m leaner, I will try 125 Test E and 50 Mast E for my next “TRT” phase. Thank you for all of your help, you guys and this forum are an absolute godsend.

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Our pleasure bud ?

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I have long time ago. Didn’t feel great.

Have done with a couple clients while back to.

Good changes to physique

Not fun health wise.

Wouldn’t do or recommend again

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Alright so I coudnt be blocked then. Should i carry on with my cycle as normal. And should i do anything about the high estrogen? Thanks man

Everything else looks on imo n nothing I would be worrying about.

If you feel great n look good n no high Estrogen sides I would roll as is

If the goal is growing

If it’s cutting I would want to bring the estro down some.

However would need more context on you n the cycle

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Hey buddy personally I would have things set up a little differently but theres definitely more than one way to do things successfully.

My preference would be similar weekly dosage to start.

300mg Test

400mg primo/Mast

150mg NPP

I would then look at every 3-4 weeks progress the test dosage 50mg and the NPP dosage 50mg if body composition still good, no negative sides. And health markers are solid. You could progress the primo up to 6-700mg here

Working up to approx 1400mg Total load and run that for 6-8 weeks.

For context I’m not on 500mg of test at 150kg 335lbs this AM – but my Primo is a lot higher. I started at 600mg primo I feel the best I’ve ever felt in cycle

I appreciate this feedback. We ideally were trying to stick to two compounds for this cycle mainly due to lack of AAS experience and wanted to be able to easily tease out what works and what doesn’t.

I personally feel great at 500mg Test, no undesirable sides yet but just about a month in.

I just wanted to make sure at my level, something like 300mg primo wasn’t going to waste. Thanks brotha![/quote]
Hello bud.

It’s not a waste, drugs work period.

My potential issue here however is the primo is likely not enough to control the Estrogen from that dose of test.

See your test dose is enough to grow from.

Your primo will have an anabolic effect , increase nitrogen retention and control Estrogen some what. However likely not enough.

The primo will work at this dose. It works at any dose.

However I imagine Jordan was relating to effect / optimal dosing to drive maximal results I imagine n the common dose for this with primo would be higher.

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I would wait until PCt is done before worrying.

It may be be the drugs.

Also why dosing clomid/Nolva EOD – this makes no sense to me

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The blood results must be faulty surely

Look at your estro – it shouldn’t/couldnt be that high on 0 Test.

Ive also never seen any one with completely 0 test I dont think

Your shut down and your estro is high so there must be testosterone there

Thanks for your reply. I will try and sort it with the lab. Is there any online doctors you can recommend to go through blood work with and put a plan in place going forward. [/quote]
I do not know any official doctors that do this sorry

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firstly lets just say here never ever is just 1 cycle IMO lol – Once you see the progress made on cycle you will want to run another and another.

Healthiest first cycle IMHO – 250mg test, 150mg masteron split into 2-3 injections over the week

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If you are cutting do extra cardio.

Don’t feel guilty

Make a lifestyle choice that from now on you don’t eat garbage like kfc ?

I don’t eat that garbage stuff the wife was wanting me to join and get something for valentines day ?[/quote]
Well man up and tell the mrs your taking her somewhere that does similar food that is better quality and has stuff you will enjoy to

Or

Just be happy you pleased the other half and hope you returned the favour :))

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hello bud

So I would echo what Darren is saying.

I would Start with doses around that MG

However as you can’t get primo I would be looking at

300mg test, 300mg NPP, 300mg mast –

This is a decent enough cycle and tbh a little higher starting point but your cruise dose is higher than most.
I would then get blood work done at week 5 and this will give you information on how best to step the cycle forward when you need to.

You can look at test, free test, estrogen etc – Then look at progress, body comp and decide what you are going to do for the duration of the cycle – When things stall or you feel you need an increase this information will guide you on how to increase. – which of the 3 drugs etc

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