[Hilly]

Hey Connor.

Try adding pics to a comment here. Usually works then.

We can advise after. Also, not sure if I missed it… Did you get any bloodwork done?

BW is attached here, photos attached above. Sorry it bugged out, BW is from 2.8.22 [/quote]

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[Hilly]

Weight this morning post rest day – 233

Pic attached – 4 weeks n couple of days apart

10lb down

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[Hilly]

Oh and another question: would turkesterone be of any help in this matter?

Never ran it so could not say

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[Hilly]

Thanks for the reply guys.

I will stay off all test still. My last bloods saw a result of test being 10, so in range. Does not feel right to go on trt and potentially smash it all down again.

– I will add L-carn as @Hilly advised

– keep running 1250iu hcg, 75iu hmg eod and clomid at 50 ED.

– 5 gram of d-aspartic acid will be added.

Will do this for another month or so, and then I will take bloods again. Then I will decide weither i get on trt or not.

Thanks once again and keep u updated!

My pleasure bud

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[Hilly]

IMO PCT

I feel its important for all to learn to come off cycle and work on keeping as much as what you gained during this phase plus is what involved before deciding to technically stay on all get time when your just 20 yrs old

Im not sure if this changes anything, but I got blood work some months ago for poor sleep, and I ended up having a natural test level of 350. So part of my mind is thinking if I come off cycle and my test drops to what it was before and lower, that I will lose too much muscle. Thanks.

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This happens to every one.

Sounds like your just looking to stay on bud.

Can’t change my opinion bud but it’s mine not yours.

You make the decision for you and what you feel is best.

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[Hilly]

I can’t see any pics. Could you try again please

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Good morning Hilly !
Do you know by what mechanism IP6 works in regulating red blood count, HCT and hemoglobin ? I heard it kind of acts like an iron chelator but I can’t find anything to the mechanism of action.

thank you bud

Hello bud.

I do not, I know it does so see no relevance in understanding the mechanism tbh

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TB,

What’s your reasoning for using the clomid here?

Following.

Brady

Not to answer for him but clomid can help increase Test levels in these situations which will help to the above I describe.

It can also help increase sperm volume and the more sperm volume we have the more %of sperm per ml released at injection in theory ?

Not saying its use is core but that is certainly reasoning I would behind its potential use in certain situations[/quote]Thanks for the explanation Hilly.
I know from reading the forums you guys like clomiphene for this use. I was curious as to why because I’ve learned in medical school, just last week actually, that although some papers support the use of clomiphene for infertility, it’s not recommended In the treatment guidelines.
I see the idea for it, and I don’t see how it would hurt. So that’s very interesting. I will keep this in mind moving forward.
To add from what these guidelines suggest, the time it takes to guide desired results from HCG and HMG vary between people. It’s recommend you just keep trying at this point, as Hilly mentioned as well, levels will differ between everyone.
Best of luck TB.
Brady [/quote]
Yeh bud. Agree with you on all
Of this.

My main thought is more for the increase in sperm volume which is more anecdotal than medical based to be honest and why I said person depending.

If your volume is fine n the hcg is spiking lh enough it may not be needed.

Every medical study I read on hcg /hmg reported average times of 9-16 months for success in increased sperm count / quality and then conception which is also the time frame I personally fell.

First thing I always say is this is an area Patience is key in.

I’ve helped some people and it took 3-6 months.

Some still needed Ivf but the Ivf was successful we’re previously had not been due to increased sperm quality

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[Hilly]

IMO PCT

I feel its important for all to learn to come off cycle and work on keeping as much as what you gained during this phase plus is what involved before deciding to technically stay on all get time when your just 20 yrs old

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[Hilly]

No just drop down levels will come down over time

Agreed

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[Hilly]

Surely it’s not mild If prescribed anti B ?

What’s your coach’s suggestion?

Have you had bloods done recently to see we’re hormones are at n if any link to current ache ?

The Acne is very mild as of right now, maybe 1 spot in the face and 2-3 on the back/shoulders. Im just worried my acne will explode if i start a cycle. We have’nt discussed any steroids yet. But if i will start i will just start doing 250-300mg of test. No sir i have’nt done any recent bloods.[/quote]
I would be very careful here if you are prone to acne and it has been bad enough for a Doctor to prescribe Anti Biotics.

If you really want to and it was me in your situation I would get bloods done to see were my natural testosterone was and estrogen.

based off this I would look to take 150-200mg test and 100mg masteron as its bette at controlling estrogen and this may be the issue with the acne (bloods will tell you if you have naturally high estro).

I would then be using a MWF injection frequency.

Monitoring skin closely with good general skin cleansing daily etc.

Then all being well retest hormones at week 5 and see what has changed.

Based on this if all is good I would simply milk this for results before even considering any increase and watch how things change over time on this dose for the length you decide to run things from

Then monitor things as you come off as it is this phase you may suffer most in TBH.

After this then asses if the cycle was worth it overall.

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[Hilly]

TB,

What’s your reasoning for using the clomid here?

Following.

Brady

Not to answer for him but clomid can help increase Test levels in these situations which will help to the above I describe.

It can also help increase sperm volume and the more sperm volume we have the more %of sperm per ml released at injection in theory 🙂

Not saying its use is core but that is certainly reasoning I would behind its potential use in certain situations

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[Hilly]

So guys,

I’ve got the results in from the sperm test.

I will write them out for you. Since it is in Dutch.

Totale Motile Sperm Count (VCM): 9,0 10*6

Spermcells moving good (grade A): 10,6%

Sperm cells moving mediocre (grade B): 32,8%

Sperm cells not moving: 56,6%

Total sperms per 1ml: 26 million

”Sperm is viscous” it also states

Total volume: 2ml

@Hilly Could you give your insights on the results? I will keep running hmg, since I got it anyway. Should I also keep running hcg (currently 1250iu eod) and 50mg clomid ed? Thats what I am also doing, besides the 75iu hmg eod.

Thanks once again!

Hello buddy

So these are a little different to what we see here but from what I can gather your motility is alit on the low side and the sperm with good morphology (the right shape to get in the egg) is pretty low.

Sperm count is bottom end of average and higher that when I conceived so the HMG is defo doing its thing

What these are potentially telling us is that your bodies Test level may still be on the low side and thus morphology (again sperm shape) is not good due to this as we need intra testicular testosterone levels for the sperm to develop and mature properly.

I would be getting blood test done ASAP to see if were your testosterone level is

Would also be adding in 200-400mg L Carnatine injected IM daily as this will improve total sperm motility IME.

Your question to yourself then from this is based on 2 things.

if test is in range and not getting any higher then this is maybe all you are going to get in this current set up. It is enough to conceive as it only takes 1 good sperm in reality put obviously with a lower chance than if all sperm that are moving were the right shape.

You consider moving to TRT – as fertility drugs you are taking are doing there job in terms of increasing the number of sperm however its the development of the sperm that seems to be the issue and this may get better as mine did and I have seen others do who had low Test levels when they moved to TRT.

Now please remember I am not a doctor and this is just my self learned/experienced opinion on what I have seen with myself and others.

I try to make this as clear as I can in these matters.

I hope this helps and please any and all questions fire away and I will do my best to answer 🙂

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[Hilly]

Sex drive may very well be low due to that estrogen reading.

That’s a low end test result for 500mg and I do feel there is an issue with the product TBH.

Have you always used this lab with other blood results as well.

You may be a rare case were you dont get a lot from the drug but from your post I gather your trying to say you do metabolise drugs well (not sure how you may know this TBh)

For me I would be expecting a read double this and that is what I see in 90% of blood work at this dose.

Adding in some soy to your diet can raise estrogen somewhat. – potentially a scoop of soy based protein or 2 or soy yogurt if you believe these readings are correct.

Just my thoughts as I see things

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[Hilly]

Shooting the day before may very well cause a spike – However this is still an accurate reading of what happens every week the day after you inject.

These are always a snap shot of that time.

so if you are wanting to generally know were your sitting at a base level then potentially miss the Wed jab.

However you will be getting these spikes 3 times a week and are having issues you may want to see how high things are spiking post jab ?

Its a difficult one to answer

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