[Hilly]

Hi,

Its not really ideal for us to be giving advice to people indirectly first.

However in this instance she really needs to speak to her Doctor or specialist endocrinologist.

There sounds like there is a conversion issue from T4 to T3 – potentially checking Reverse t3 and seeing what else is going on could be beneficial.

It may be that something else is up that needs addressing or that t3 supplementation is needed but this is not for us to say just based off this information.

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[Hilly]

I have seen this before with Therapy clients and tends to be to some form of tightness/structural issue around the shoulder/lat of that size preventing correct movement and contraction in that pec.

As above defo see a chiro/physio

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Offseason cardio packs on quite much health benefits but do you guys see it hinder leg mass / fullness of the legs?

I have wondered this especially as with my job as a PT and as I go to work by walking, my steps gets out of hand on some days (around 20 000 steps daily) and I feel like this has truly had an impact on my leg fullness somehow. Even tho it is not direct cardio, I just have been thinking about it that would cardio have same effect?

And is it maybe because walking that amount of steps daily are so low steady state and so consuming that they will burn off the leg size. I might be able to switch to my bike as the weather gets better here so maybe it would save my legs little bit and would be more like normal cardio as it would be faster to move around and also HR would get up little higher so it would not be as low state as walking.

If you are doing 20k steps a day then I would be very cautious of doing additional cardio day to day to be honest.

I may do a little HIT on rest days for Fitness but that would be it.

Thats a lot of steps.

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Yeh, I spent a little time making my own a long time ago and the hassle of doing so in terms of time to brew etc just wasn’t worth the hassel.

Things have been fine form what I have seen in blood work with the main labs for a long time in terms of blood work but during covid it seems there have been issues.

Now considering the likes of Mcd;s , subway and other billion quid companies have had supply and stock issues I think its to be expected that UGLs were going to get hit at some point – the recreational market certainly did.

It should be getting better and seems to be.

I will be getting bloods done IV this Sunday on ROHM latest batch if Test E

As myself and a friend did it finger prick and it showed 50% down but a client did it IV and it came back bang on – Same batch

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You can certainly just jump only our cruise/TRT dose now – I would simply do 1/2 previous dose and retest hormones at week 5.

However Sas poses a very good point that once you go down this route you make the chances of recovery over time lower and lower.

Now I accepted that a long time ago, I know you can conceive on TRt and I managed that to and have no issues being on TRT for the rest of my life.

However that is a decision you need to think long and hard about

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Thanks hilly ,congrates !IL look into it on your log man appreciate,was just looking for people’s perspective on how they did it and how they got on.

Thanks man?

Its covered in countless threads bud – heaps of information in different threads from people

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HCG will always cause a fluctuations in Estorogen levels to some extent – How much is dose and person depending.

I doubt time of day for 1 week will make much of a difference TBH

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It’s not a terrible reading from test. Potentially dosed 60-70%

I’m getting bloods done on current Rohm test E this weekend so keep eye on those before making the decision to switch

I would look to increase omega 3 dosing to try get that HDL up. Around 10g daily

Estrogen is a touch high. Not bad for that test dose tho as it’s always in relation to testosterone

So if no high estro sides then your gd.

I would certainly Increase current dose to get the reading you want yes

What is your injection frequency

As Estrogen is then going to go up also with increasing the dose

Hey mate thanks for the reply!
Will be sure to keep an eye out for that, will increase my omega asap and in my post above no estro sides as of yet (I think).
I’m pinning daily, would you increase the test to the top end of what good test would yield? If so that would be doubling what I’m taking at the minute to 600mg until the end of my cycle.
Then assuming your Rohm is dosed correctly, would you start the next cycle of Rohm test at 350mg as technically from my bloods I would have only been on what 300mg should give me despite the higher dose taken from my current lab to get the more accurate reading?[/quote]
Its really impossible to say

We expect/think we expect to see around 70/80 per 300ml and your seeing 50 – So I think based on this going to 450mg would put you close enough and were I would go.

The next cycle if the ROHM is dose correctly I would either go 400-450mg test or IMHO I would go 300mg test and 150mg primo/mast based on results

This is just a guide as I do not know you in terms of physique level or how your cycle will pan out.

if this cycle is fantastic and results fly then in reality there is no need to up the cycle dose next time – Potentially play about with the make up of the cycle – 200mg test/150mg primo for example

If your in a rush to make the most gains possible then increasing the dose as I suggested may be a good step. Its a personal choice

I just see no point in simply increasing 50mg – Even make a big enough change to make a significant difference or dont make one at all.

This is of course just my opinion.

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Weight 236. – rest day today

Not much to report, charl is ill so I have had the baby a lot of the day so she could sleep and rest up.

Worked around this which wasn’t an issue

All food in no issues

Back 2moro after an early start and busy work day

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It’s not a terrible reading from test. Potentially dosed 60-70%

I’m getting bloods done on current Rohm test E this weekend so keep eye on those before making the decision to switch

I would look to increase omega 3 dosing to try get that HDL up. Around 10g daily

Estrogen is a touch high. Not bad for that test dose tho as it’s always in relation to testosterone

So if no high estro sides then your gd.

I would certainly Increase current dose to get the reading you want yes

What is your injection frequency

As Estrogen is then going to go up also with increasing the dose

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Orange for myself – won’t use anything else

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Fully agree with kuba

I would just do test / primo first

Then asses based on results of you feel you need to step dose up

Get hormones checked n base the cycle change from this

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So 2 to 1 in favour of it being the cycle dropping E2 too low. Have to say I prefer that option over the gear being bunk considering I’ve nought a load of it from what seemed a good source ?

What would you say would be a more favourable setup if I’m to keep the EQ in?

Or what would you suggest to raise test to in order to bring E2 up to a suitable level.

I know bloods would be ideal but would like to try a change in dose first as I have clear sign of low E2 and got bloods just 4 weeks ago prior to starting the cycle.

Appreciate it!

If your keeping it in

Drop a touch n increase test as Jordan says

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Training day food 3900kcal currently

Fats can change a little depending on salmon or beef

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Thanks very interesting-

Now please don’t take me wrong and am not necessarily advocating the use of anything illegal or dangerous.

Now I have read through the Reddit post and to be honest not sure a Post of someone p saying they struggle with withdrawal symptoms even sugar can be considered a serious resource to assess the safety of anything. Also some of the users in there are commenting they were using something like 15g PER DAY. That’s indeed a bit of absurdity – usually for therapeutic dosage for mild pain killer / relaxation is for is 1-2g max and 4g makes you feel a bit too wholly. Indeed one day I let try to a friend who has a known addiction for opioids (all sort of painkillers – mostly cocodamol ) and he used in 2 hours 20g while I was shocked and he said he didn’t feel anything.

Are some of the users on that forum already addicted to other substances maybe ?

Im not here to defending kratom and to be honest it’s not my interest in any shape of form – I genuinely felt buffled at the idea it could cause any withdrawals symptoms purely based on my experience ( I guess was due to dosage ?) . Things needs always to be put in context when assessing anything.

Anyhow – I hate call to authority – but I hold a Ms in Neuroscience and I know a bit of mechanism of addictions are. It’s a bit more complex

Than just using something for 2 months and then become addicted. Of course some substances can cause terrible physical withdrawals symptoms and not only psychological. My granma 2 years ago went through a hip a replacement and stayed almost a month on pure morphine which basically heroin – I don’t recall her becoming a junkie ?

Finally – here some useful info On more “scientific” content about Kratom https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34309900/.

What about CBD ?

Interesting on Your gran being fine after that.

My dad suffered badly after using morphine for 4-6 weeks following a really bad fall.

Was awful for him post use.

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