[Hilly]

I believe ROHM now has primo

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As max says it depends on the dose being used.

if it was anything under 400mg then I would of expected it to be gone by now TBH

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John – Have you checked your hormones?

Make sure they are all in range. I see it over and over when peoples estrogen etc are out of wack they always reports joint/tendon issues so worth checking

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You’re replacing your natural test with a TRT dose

Makes no sense to make your test levels lower in any situation IMO

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Great arm session plus a little delts with a client

rope Pd superset rope curls to head – pyramid up to 2 working sets of 15 reps each

1 arm Tri PD – x 14, x 10, x 8 – Same weight
1 set cable concentration curls – x 15, x 15, x 15 – Same weight – still being careful here as that left bicep doesn’t feels just right still

Oh extensions – x 10, x 8, x 8 – increase weight
DB curls focusing on lengthened position using fat grips – x 12, x 10, x 8 – increase weight

Crucifix tri PD – rest pause set – x 19, x 9, x 6
Seated single machine curl – left arm right arm repeat with no rest between arms – can’t remember reps

Arms pumped to death – barely any tendon pain

Cable side delts – 3 sets of 20 reps each side varying angle

Good session overall –

Like the higher volume at the minute – not hitting true failure and stopping just shy of that last rep is really helping my tendons

I intend to keep arms like this but move to more failure stuff on other body parts when pushing back up –

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@Hilly so I’ve finally got my tests back and as we thought E2 was high. As we said before il look to drop the NPP and Mast and add 400mg primo. Would you add some aromasin for a few weeks to lower this and prevent HDl levels being affected.

No.

Personally I would just make the switch and retest in 4-5 weeks

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I would give it another week

If no better try nolva

What is inject frequency

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Any were you have fat of doing subQ

Any were you have muscle of doing IM

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Weight – 235 post rest day

Seems the lantus really does a gd job even on low dose DNP at filling the muscle out.

I seem to go back to 238-239 instantly post T day.

Sleep was ok. Finding it harder to get up at 5 which annoys me.

Only been the last 2 days.

My midsection looked a lot leaner last night.

So I’ll deal with the tiredness for another few days.

Can’t have it all can ya lol.

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Hi hilly . Which test are you using buddy ? Tried the new 24 expiry date batch of rohm test e and it’s crippled me with pip. So just thought and drop into ask many thanks ?

Hello bud.

Yes I am hearing this from a few people

I’m mixing my jabs with 1ml mast E n not getting any major issues

Just some soreness which I expect when stabbing myself lol

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I think you are probably over analyzing/false expectations of a lean bulk- you are bound to be a little softer no matter how lean a bulk you are doing in comparison to a prep.

I wouldn’t let this dictate your cycle etc- your priority is to build muscle.

I generally opt for just test & primo and maybe a little masteron in off season- your nutrition and adherence then will determine levels of bodyfat/water

Very much agree with Darren here also

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I dont believe Tel would have an impact on water retention from NPP that you are experiencing.

I would look to cycle test with enough mast to keep estro in mid range.

Then as Sas says make sure BF is good and food/water is bang on

Do you recommend adding winstrol too? can be beneficial for bulking phase?

what is a good ratio of mast and test you recommend?

And what does John Jewett mean in his IG post that telmisartan can help with water retention? Does it not have a connection to NPP water retention?

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No or I would of suggest it.

You would have to ask John bud

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Have you tried the search option ?

This is covered in great depth.

In your case I would be going 150 test. , 75 primo to 100 primo n access blood work in 5 weeks

Thanks. Yes I looked around and saw the preferences here are mast or primo. The point of avoiding primo was to avoid extra DHT sides…you think it’s not a major concern over say test or nandrolone then?[/quote]

I have never notices any one report issues on low doses of either in all my time TBH.

I would not use nandrolone personally. It causes a higher estro conversion with test so makes no sense based on this alone to me[/quote]Not sure why nandrolone wouldn’t still be a benefit for lowering e2 – splitting a test dose into equal test and nandrolone would still be overall less e2 than just the test alone, or is my maths wrong? [/quote]
Have you tried it and seen what it does to Estrogen.

Some find it actually increases estro more than just test.

Jordan found some very interesting literature on this he sent me before.

Plus nandrolone has other potential negatives on Health – blood vessel Damage or something if I remember right.

So again – makes 0 sense when there are compounds like primo or masteron to me

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Imo how you are doing it is best.

Eating pre bed has no relevance on fat loss or storage.

Age old myth.

You want your biggest feed pwo. If you could I would be getting another protein feed in pre bed.

Then I would potentially be going low / 0 carbs from waking n doing cardio

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Have either of you tried the search feature – there are literally dozens of threads covering this in great detail.

then if you check my log I covered the whole process of fixing my fertility and conceiving my baby girl who is now 16 weeks old.

I also have an IGTV on how I fixed my sperm that covers the main bulk of the information.

It is all there in detail in my log 🙂

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