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Imho I would ring doctors.

Book an appointment

Get free ECG

Piece of mind
No worries
Free heart check up

If your Uk Based your paying for the nhs. Silly not to use it just incase I feel

Especially based on increased number of heart issues recently

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That’s great to hear mate , it really does avoid a lot of issues that test brings for some people and the water retention is still so minimal at 600mg. Yup if you squeezed everything out of the 600 , 800 next time will be great

Ive ran a about 1.2-1.5g of nandro with 125-250 test before and I really liked it. Would u say 30-60dbol would be a better choice here? Primo wouldn´t make sense at all in a cycle like this right?

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I think you would have to try it and see

I think there would be very little difference

No primo wouldn’t imo

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Max , people that talk negatively against it just haven’t tried it, that’s basically it. I was sceptical until I tried it . That’s why I only pass comment on things I have actually done

This is why we ended up
Running it remember.

We were like – hhmmm we need to try this as we’re not sure it’s a gd idea

Holy shit it’s a great idea ha

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Thanks Hilly, – yes for muscle growth. Looking at competing again end of this year or early next year, so off season at the moment and want to maximise strength and muscle. So you would recommend 5 to start rather than 10? My training and nutrition and routines are pretty solid and have been for the last two years. But have been training prior to that. I just wanting to see what this can add in a sensible way and see if it’s something I’d want to carry on with. Hope that makes sense.

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Really appreciate your response. Perhaps you misread? I didn’t even mention my bf. Maybe the ‘25%’ threw you off. I’m 15%, natty limit. 10 years in gym.

Halving the dose seems unnecessary given these facts, right?

Had no gyno issues before the test. Just went searching (for the first time lol) on day 2 of cycle and got a bit paranoid when I found identical lumps underneath each nipple. One nipple looks a little puffy but could easily be in my head.

I guess I’m just paranoid that I’ll wake up one morning with severe gyno, but as long as there is strong symptoms before and it doesn’t just creep up on you, sounds like I will be fine.

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Hello bud

I can’t see any bloods.

However if your health markers are all fine then there is no issue IMO

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High levels can indicate an issue with the liver according to medical information on google.

I have not heard of supplements or a deficit raising this but I guess it may be possible but unlikely.

How were the rest of your bloods.

If worried always consult a doctor as we are not doctors

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Hello buddy.

I’m a little confused.

This looks like your plan for off season into prep.

However you say that will be in 2023.

So it’s a little early to be asking us now.

What are your plans for adding as much muscle as you need in 2022 ?

Is this the discussion you mean ?

Hey Hilly from 2022 to 2024 (max) how much stage weight would be tangible, my weight was 73kg on the weigh ins, i have 17kg to gain into my category and i have plans to push at least 8kg (stage weight) before stepping again, however, i would like to accomplish this goal before 2024 hits.[/quote]
How much could you gain depends on.

Your ability to adhere over this period of time and how many life situations may cause issues in adherence if any.

Your bodies ability to digest food, recover from training and not get injured.

Your current level of development and time training as well as time on drugs if any.

How much you want to push supplement side of things.

Its almost impossible to tell you even close to exact numbers.

potentially 5-10kg over 2 years.

I have had a client gain 14lb stage weight in a year

I have had a client only gain 5lb –

So variable

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First question would be do you need it ? Why are you running it?

Just muscle growth? Performance in a sport?

Do you compete?

IMO I would run just 5mg daily for 6 weeks max – I dont usually like females to run for longer than this unless potentially in a pre.

I am yet to see any sides or negative effect from hormones in any one that does this dose for these time frames only.

I do no of people that have had there cycle effected for being silly and running higher doses.

Up to 10mg I see no issues but I feel you will get a lot out of just 5mg and can re run this time and time if everything else in your set up is bang on before needing to increase.

its not my place to say if you should run the drug or not just to give you the best advice possible 🙂

It is your body and your decision – Just make sure everything else is bang on so you get the maximum effects from the drug when running it.

No mental changes for people I know that have ran it.

Strength increases, fuller/harder look body fat depending.

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Weight. – 238.5lb – Slight dip

Trained legs around my bad back but I already feel I am going to regret it 2moro lol – I am waiting for another app with the chiro after having to cancel last weeks.

So today was just about working around that and getting a huge pump and working in higher rep ranges – 2 warm ups of 20 reps on all to

5 mins on stairs

Adductor – x 20, x 20, . – x 19, x18, x15 – same weight
Seated ham curl – x 20, x 20 – x 18, x 15, x 12 – pyramid up here
Extensions. X 20 x 20 – x19, x16, x 14 – pyramid up
seated leg press – x 20, x 20 – x20, x 20, x20. – pyramid up
Lay ham curls – x 15, x 15, x 10, x 10 – pyramid up each set

Job done – painful but nothing major and feel better for getting it done mentally – I missed legs last week due to it and just couldn’t bare doing so again.

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Hey Hilly! I hope you are well, and thank you for all you do on here.

I hope you don’t mind me asking this question on your log.

I recall you mentioning that e2 often peaks/spikes around week 4/5 of starting a test only cycle and that this can cause sides that might then go away once things even out? So water retention might be an issue around a month in but could subside simply without doing anything and reaching consistent hormone levels?

Is my understanding of this correct? Please may you explain if not. Thank you very much.

hey, its no issues

So Test usually peaks around week 3-4 – estrogen then may increase after this in ratio to the test rice before taking a little dip/balancing out.

so what I have found over the years is some people experience High estro sids effects around week 2-4 but then it can drop off around week 5-6 as the body normalises

Which is why I usually hold off little before making changes/adding something in and recommend testing bloods for hormones at around week 5

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