[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

Weight held again

Legs still sore but better

Up most of night with the baby but my day off work today n a rest day so no issue

Just getting food in.

Feel pretty dam good

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[Hilly]

what is in the Pump formula bud?

Does it happen without it?

what is AM and PM blood pressure?

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[Hilly]

What is the current reading after 2 weeks off and what was the reading previous.

How far above the range on your bloods are you?

Are you fully hydrated when getting the bloods done?

What do you do daily for the manual work?

did you check bloods in June when you felt healthy? It may be that your job means its always a little elevated if its a very manual job

Doctor never gave me specific results but I will make sure to get these. He just said it was elevated and awaiting results of HLA test. I’m a ground worker, so quite a lot of heavy lifting.

I wasn’t fully hydrated when getting bloods done. Got bloods done at 11am and had been very busy at work I’d actually forgotten to drink any water beforehand.

My CK in June was 600 but that was only after 4 days rest from the gym but continuing manual work. Last gym session before those bloods was legs.[/quote]

See it’s so hard to say as I don’t no what impact your work would have.

I have a client whose CK is always raised as he’s literally busting ass all day at work.

I mean real hard graft.

So this may be similar to you [/quote]

Yeah pretty similar. I spend my 6 days a week laying tarmac, lifting kerbs, blocks and paving stones etc.

Just a little concerned as my mobility and muscle weakness issues have came back. They want to test me for rheumatoid arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis but I literally have no pain whatsoever in my joints just a little bit of muscle ache but nothing that really bothers me[/quote]
Maybe there is an issue then buddy

Keep at the doctors to make sure they investigate every possible avenue

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[Hilly]

Ah sorry, I didn’t make it clear in my original post that I’m fully aware of that. You also said it’s a case by case thing, so I was moreso wondering if there would be any reason to first try and come off in my situation.

ahh that makes sense.

Well if you come off and recover fine then in theory and reality you won’t need to purchase or use the HMG or HCG and other drugs as your sperm should be fine.

I have done 2 consults with people abroad lately on this and the cost of them getting HMG and the ability to keep sourcing it is low so it makes more sense for them to try and recover and go that route.

As you need to continue the fertility drugs its a must that you have access to them.

In my honest opinion it may be more efficient and quicker to stay on TRt and use the fertility drugs – As your not having to do the 8-12 weeks PCt to get the body on line and then start making sperm.

There is then I suppose the debate that the drugs while on TRT may not bring you to as good as you would be naturally. We simply dont know.

None of us in reality can give you a solid answer on what yo should do, Its my job to just try and give you as much information on both sides so you can make the choice yourself.

Obviously being interesting in our physiques the TRT route is more appealing if we are honest.

I went the PCt route as 3 of my clients who I did PCt with then sperm tests all had super high quality sperm and the counts were huge.

From speaking to others no one seems to get higher than 10-15 millions when doing this on TRT and fertility drugs. One of my clients was at like 80 million or something.

So there is a much higher chance for him than me which is why I opted that route first.

I however ended up getting my partner pregnant before him due to complications with his partner but they are also now expecting. I now have my baby girl.

This post is becoming long now but I hope it helps towards you choosing the best path for yourself 🙂

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[Hilly]

Your Estrogen is definitely to high here

I would drop the dbol

Make sure to split your testosterone over 3 injects per week.

Retest in 5 weeks

I did not use Dianabol before the blood test. This Blood Test was done during the smooth testo cycle which is 450 per week. The previous course may not have been completed well. Would you help me to use 2 * 0.5 Arimidex per week, or would it be appropriate to use Proviron?

In such cases, does high estrogen inhibit muscle development or only impair its quality?

Thanks

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Estrogen is important as to build muscle and for may physiological functions.

I would personally look to add in some masteron to help with Estrogen control at 200mg personally – this is not only IME better than Adex on lipids but will also help improve performance and gains by improving free testosterone.

However if you wish to use Adex then 0.5mg Monday and thursday would be my first dosing and retest in 5 weeks

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[Hilly]

Weight held 248 today

Rest day and after work a day in Newcastle with charl and the baby Christmas shopping and mooching around the little markets

Was a great day

Home to work and sleep soon.

Legs are in pieces lol

All is good

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[Hilly]

I have come this with a few of my health focused clients that have other health conditions alongside there doctors.

Our focus was on

0 processed foods containing trans fats etc

Overall 10-15% macros from fats – mainly from fish / oils

Dropping overall bodyfat down

Bringing Fasted BG down to low end normal

This worked very well

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[Hilly]

What is the current reading after 2 weeks off and what was the reading previous.

How far above the range on your bloods are you?

Are you fully hydrated when getting the bloods done?

What do you do daily for the manual work?

did you check bloods in June when you felt healthy? It may be that your job means its always a little elevated if its a very manual job

Doctor never gave me specific results but I will make sure to get these. He just said it was elevated and awaiting results of HLA test. I’m a ground worker, so quite a lot of heavy lifting.

I wasn’t fully hydrated when getting bloods done. Got bloods done at 11am and had been very busy at work I’d actually forgotten to drink any water beforehand.

My CK in June was 600 but that was only after 4 days rest from the gym but continuing manual work. Last gym session before those bloods was legs.[/quote]
See it’s so hard to say as I don’t no what impact your work would have.

I have a client whose CK is always raised as he’s literally busting ass all day at work.

I mean real hard graft.

So this may be similar to you

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[Hilly]

You may find the initial Medicheck result was wrong as I must of seen dozens of there eGFR readings wrong earlier in the year even had clients get the same blood tested at the doctors and Medi and 2 total different results.

Albumin wouldn’t worry me

CK – always elevated due to hard training – this is just a sign of muscle damage/inflammation – So is expected

Creatinine – Not a cause for concern and common in athletes IMO

ALT – Not a worry at this level however I would be adding in Trainedbyjp Vital support for liver protection – it literally is the best product on the market IMO for both ingredients and price. This will improve this number

Uric acid – This is a strange one Imo as its not something I have often seen low -its barely low so I wouldn’t be worried if it was me personally but I am not a doctor and if concerned check in with your doctor –

Nice one Hilly. Appreciate your reply bud.

I’m currently taking 12 tabs of Vital Support per day, 6 x am, 6x pm. So I will keep these tabs high.

I will keep an eye on these markers in 2-3 months and see where they’re at, and if no improvement I will see my doctor.

Thanks again Hilly mate [/quote]
My pleasure bud.

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[Hilly]

Hello buddy

the NPP is likely effecting the Testosterone reading here – this is very common and I believe depends on the type of blood test the lab performs.

I have been on a NPP only cycle and my Test was off the charl with medic heck couple of years ago

@Hilly when looking at the test reading of bloods, how important is total test? I was always under the impression that the free test is the more important reading as most of the body’s test is bound to shbg and albumin?[/quote]
Both are important imo as they usually run in line.

More total test means more free test.

We do want to do all we can to maximise free testosterone

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[Hilly]

I see no need for the oral at all in this cycle.

The 2 other compounds should be more than sufficient to create a fantastic look.

If you had a photo shoot etc at the end maybe winny for the last 2-3 weeks max

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Lol I’ve ran gh for years man mostly generic, I’m looking for a personalized answer. Well aware of what gh does and what it brings was looking for more insight on someone’s personal experience with it then compared to others. Nordi is the most recognized pharma gh out there so shouldn’t “be the same” as any other besides maybe other top pharma brands. Guess i should be more specific with my question.

I think maybe we just look at GH differently.

Chinese stuff can hold more water.

However if all pharma gh is real ime it all tends to feel the same for me.

That is my experience was what I meant. Having ran nord, geno , Lilly.

I’ve never noticed any difference when dosing is the same.

This may be different based on the individual I guess.

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[Hilly]

Test it first bud

Fully agree.

I don’t think you will need the Adex at all.

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