[Hilly]

No one said 1lb per week post show.

I would expect most people around 200lb to be up 5-10lb first week

250lb circa 10-15lb

300lb 15-20.

So you need to factor that in.

Then you need to factor in he clearly lost tissue

Then factor in his genetics are not remotely comparable to ours.

So it’s not even really a question tbh.

1lb a week is simply a sensible guide. That is all

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[Hilly]

I would defo just be running a TRT/Cruise set up and this is what I did. I also used the period my daughter was born to diet and tidy up and this is what I do with clients.

Your schedule is going to be off and stressed.

Sleep is not going to be 100% in most cases.

You want to be spending more time with your family.

So I switched to an U/L split and rotated through sessions. This way if I I managed 2/3/4 sessions I was still covering all body parts.

I pulled food down into a deficit.

I used this time to experiment with subq TRT jabs and see how it looked on blood work in comparison to IM jabs etc.

Pulled meals down to 4 plus a PWO shake

In my mind with any situation I look to get the most out of what’s going on and what is possible that still works towards the long term goal. So as me and my daughters mum adapted to becoming parents I was in the house and available much more. Then as things settled I picked things back up and was nice and lean to get stuck into a growth phase.

Just a follow on from the Sub Q injections . How did it come back on your bloods

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Totally fine.

I’m running same set up right now. Bloods just came back as would expect

Free test actually seems to sit a touch higher

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[Hilly]

Tuesday – rest day

14k steps
5 meals in
20 mins in sauna

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[Hilly]

Most people i work with for fertility stuff I do recommend going with option 1 and looking to restore natural levels etc unless they have been on for very long periods of time and we dont think they can restore natural testosterone levels etc or this has already been confirmed via blood work etc as IMHO it is a more direct route that means you dont need to rely on drugs until it happens.

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[Hilly]

Honestly bud as we have gone over alot with yourself there is either something askew with your hormones or asker with the mind or both and they are linked but either way its impossible to help you over the forum.

As Joe says some peoples bodies are just more complex and dont run as efficiently as others do, you dieted and didnt get to lean so why on earth did you binge. You did everything right and didnt push down so hard are food focus would of been high as 12% isnt at a point were food focus should be sky high unless the diet was don wrong.

After this we cant just guess why you would be feeling bad, you would need to get bloods done and then look at the big picture – what happened on the way down, How much did you binge/weight gained/how bad was digestion skewed etc etc and then look at this alongside bloods to try and work out why you feel like this if its even possible to work out why as it just seems no matter what you do you end up feeling like this and thus there could be a huge mental side to it.

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[Hilly]

if that is all you have available then the reality is that is all you can do – simply base Ai use off bloods and progress.

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Monday – Training day

steps – 16k

on wake – 250mcg Reta, 1mg Mots c and 1 scoop CV burn

5 meals in

Training was delts/back/chest and a decent session. Tendon issue defo seems a little better and I am in again for more treatment Friday.

All sets listed as usual are hard working sets

Standing DB laterals- x8 x8, x 9F with a drop set
Narrow grip press – x 8, x 8, x 6F

1 arm HS pull down – x8, x8, x 6F
Chest supported row – x 6, x 6, x 9F
seated upper back row – x 16F

Machine chest press – x 10, x 10, x 10
Narrow grip press – x 8, x 8, x 13F

still being very careful with pec after a funky electric shock type feeling I got last week.

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[Hilly]

You need to decide if you want to come off and pct or look to try while on trt.

If you want to try while staying on trt you will need in general.

Hcg – 500-1000iu MWF
Hmg – 75iu TTS
Inject L carnatine – 500mg daily

This will need to be run for the full duration you are trying to conceive until it happens.

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[Hilly]

Hey

So no min or max length. Can be ran year round and you don’t do anything when you come off.

If your total weekly dose is 28iu you can run it a couple of ways.

Standard 4iu pre bed
8iu EOD / 3 x a week
4iu pre gym training days and 4iu pre bed rest days.

In reality that key is taking it and the approach is very secondary.

However I do like a larger EOD dosing when in the off season and amount available is restricted

You could run 8 weeks one way and 8 weeks another and figure out what you find works best.

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[Hilly]

At 4iu I would dose all Pre bed

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Yes this defo works and works well for most – 9-12mg daily is ideal IME

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Firstly yes taking t3 will down regulate / shut off own production in general.

I’m yet to come across any one who did not recover there thyroid to normal levels post extended use.

I’ve used both for atleast 18 months to 2 years solid before as have many many people n clients I know with no issues to note

Thanks for the response, did you run exclussively T3 or also T4?

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Earlier just t3 and then later both t3 and t4.

Now I use neither and thyroid numbers are fine via blood work

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[Hilly]

Firstly yes taking t3 will down regulate / shut off own production in general.

I’m yet to come across any one who did not recover there thyroid to normal levels post extended use.

I’ve used both for atleast 18 months to 2 years solid before as have many many people n clients I know with no issues to note

Following on from this. Would you recommend using the 100 T4 throughout off season?

I’ve been off both for around 5 months now. But unsure if I should put that back in while pushing weight up[/quote]
Check your blood work and see if its needed is the best way

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[Hilly]

Dropping weight is the main and obvious answer here, get leaner and then work back up.

Outside of this add in TBJP love heart on top of what you are taking now.

Have you tested your bloods? You may need to let blood? Are you assisted or natural ?

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Fully agree with the others. – Join in and cure coming.

I would also get some deep tissue done – I am having major issues myself with both elbows at the minute and part of this is due to slacking with my therapy work.

I went in to see the guy on Friday and my Biceps are mad tight causing pain in shoulders and elbows.

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