[Hilly]

What you are talking about is not really HIIT it is more an Intervall training. When you aim for real HIIT you should take a good Time from 5-10 Minutes for a warm up and then you should go for 6-8 times all out Sprints. And when you go really really all out you will recognize that it’s only lasting for a max of 20 seconds like Claire said. Take 2-3 mins in between to calm down and a 5-10 Minute cool down at the end. For myself doing that 2 times a week helped a lot for my Blood Pressure, Insulin sensitivity and appetite in the offseason! And i felt a much better endurance in the weight sessions in high rep sets! For me it was fine in regards to recovery when i kept it away from leg days but like Claire also said it depends from person to person ✌️

Great post. Fully agree.

True HIT is bloody hard.

Interval training not so much and will impact things less.

I don’t think a 15 minute true HIT session or a 30 minute interval session will impact most people’s recovery

If however you’re Jordan / kuba / sas and carrying a silly amount of muscle and training at a certain threshold it potentially may close to training

That being said Jordan has been doing a fair amount and still smashing silly weights n hitting PB’s.

Very person depending

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[Hilly]

Yes but they will still get the same linear response. Just at a lower level.

So normal might be

150mg – 40 T

300kg – 80 T

Low metaboliser

150 – 30 T

300 – 60 T

Potentially

In your case, when do you draw bloods respective to the last test shot?[/quote]
My shots are either

Mondays
Mondays and Thursdays
Monday / wed / Friday

Based on if I’m cruising / cycling and what total ml being used

My bloods are always done Monday mornings pre inject

Have been for the last 5 years I think

This way consistency is as high as it can be or as high as I can control it any way

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[Hilly]

Anders it’s not too far off linear in lower end doses , I haven’t tested higher stuff , but 75/150/300 all give 20-25/40-50/80-100

I have my self more then 2 years of regular blood tests when i was on doctor prescribed HRT and they wanted to find the dose that was “right” for me, the blod levels was all over the place.
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We’re the tests done same day n same time every time

Was the jab day the same day through out the whole time.

Time of day
Day to injection all will effect results as we know

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[Hilly]

Push session yesterday was pretty good.

Nothing exciting but not much tendon pain which makes me happy.

Rest day today

Food stays the same – 4500 kcal.

Pull 2moro

Legs Friday

I will then move to 4 days next week

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[Hilly]

Every thing your currently taking in terms of health supplements

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I can tell you for certain that some people metabolize test to a different degree, for some 200mg gives him a value on blood work and for some others using exactly the same gear, same dosages etc… gives them a way lower or higher value.

It’s all about the CYP(if im not wrong) enzymes in the liver. If you want to know more about it search on youtube: fouad abiad hyper responders, it’s a podcast where dr dean explained it in really deep detail

Yes but they will still get the same linear response. Just at a lower level.

So normal might be

150mg – 40 T
300kg – 80 T

Low metaboliser

150 – 30 T
300 – 60 T

Potentially

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[Hilly]

@Jordan_peters this has brought up another question

Let’s imagine I am on 300 test and my test level comes back at 80nmol

If I was to introduce primo, would that influence my test levels?

If a rough scale for test is

150mg = 40nmol

300mg = 80nmol

What happens to those levels if I bring 150-300mg of primo in?

Any ideas around this one @Hilly ? [/quote]
I agree with Jordan here.

We have seen a ridiculous amount of blood work between us.

Doses do in reality seem to be linear when it’s in lower amounts.

Primo should have no effect on the test level.

No drug should i don’t think in terms of AAS.

Some may give a false reading potentially

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[Hilly]

No I wouldnt substitute it. 1st of all diet has to be spot on, then you can consider additional supplements. Whey is used alot as its an easy way of getting protein in, which is needed when eating 6 or 7 meals a day. I find eaas help with my energy during Training and I’m providing essential amino acids for the muscles to use whilst they are being broke down. You can build a great physique without supplements but they are certainly a nice luxury

Thanks Ryan, what im saying is for post workout or in case you need a protein source when food isn’t available or for whatever reason (;actose intolerant) , why isn’t EAA’s a good choice over whey if all 9 aminos are present in both?

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Personally I feel pwo EAA is fine as an alternative to whey.

You will have all the other AA available due to your meal plan etc

I wouldn’t be keen on using them as a meal replacement protein source however.

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[Hilly]

Hhmmmm.

Id get a blood test done.

Have you gained much weight since upping the drugs.

If you have seen a huge jump your primo may not be primo

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[Hilly]

I would simply drop it now bud.

As it will cause some serious hormone issues.

Also future ref that’s likely overkill ime with letro dosing but that’s just my opinion

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[Hilly]

Agree with the above. ML

We all learn this lesson. Just make sure to not do it next time

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[Hilly]

Long as there is no digestion issues or blood glucose drops your fine imo n

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[Hilly]

Got 2 shots of Pfizer and 0 issues alongside my roids.

Snap. No issues bar the initial not feeling great for 2 days

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[Hilly]

In reality your still holding fat in those areas.

Overall winny will help your look.

It won’t fix these areas tho. 30-50mg daily is ample imo

Hey Hilly, hope it’s ok to ask on this same thread. Started With 30mg yesterday pre workout, and since then (carrying into this morning) I feel like my back is “locked”, think of lower back pump, but it’s more in the mid back. If i try to stand straight or lean back a bit it hurts (not like sharp pain, more like my back doesn’t want to be in that position). It also hurts to twist, say to practice a quarter turn to the side.

Would the winny be related? Or do you think this sounds like something else? From a gear standpoint, nothing else changed. And my last back workout was Friday. [/quote]
I’d be amazed if this was related to the winny

However I would pull it out and see if things rectify then try again.

It may potentially of caused some muscle Spasms ?

Not something I have heard of happening before

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[Hilly]

You have fantastic shape and lined my man.

Looks like you have had a very successful first cycle.

Blood work coming back good I see no issues with upping the dose a tad n pushing on

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