[Hilly]

Weight 239. Getting food in better now.

Routine with baby is settling

Shoulders / arms today.

Still feeling out how tendons are.

Failure volume is low.

More just working volume at around 80/90%.

Pump was very good

Flu has finally gone.

No cardio. Baby was up most of night with charl so I had her from AM feed at 5:30 so charl could sleep n catch up.

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[Hilly]

Let’s add some things.

First as Jordan states your bodyfat is just to high for any cycle like this simply due to the huge Estrogen conversion that will take place any way with these mixes of drugs.

I would work on dropping BF down in half tbh if you want to run something even at half these doses.

Then I’ve never ever seen any one want to it actually run – dbol / oxy n and SD – there is just no sense.

Dbol – Oxy combo has been used for decades – I see the thought pattern – it will add a lot of water / strength n defo aid in muscle building but only if you can eat – most can’t

But adding SD which in theory will give a less watery drug and is potentially more potent on top just seems illogical and as if just trying to kill your kidneys

Insulin cycle – no issue here tbh / very normal / I’m not saying you need it but this isn’t particularly out there – I would see no need to go over 10iu with pre gym meal not close to without – based on the way the drug works it would make more sense potentially 2 doses of 10iu if one needed to.

Mk – severe dislike – bags of water retention, can cause insulin resistance very quickly

Test – deca is an age old cycle that we know works well. However it aromatise heavily thus causing lots of water retention etc etc

So now we have broken this all down you should be able to see why taking all of these together at these doses is simply backwards to your goals in my opinion and it seems others

As your sides will come on so quick you’ll never eat up 40lb

Never mind the drastic way you’ll feel n likely look

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[Hilly]

Your only 2 weeks post cycle.

Things will still be elevated.

I would retest in another 4 weeks.

All will be likely better than this

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[Hilly]

So you started taking steroids 3 weeks ago at around 3 -4 times that of a Trt dose.

That is the very simple n very accurate answer.

Your body is adapting to the drugs n the drugs are going there thing.

Have you gained any weight ?

We’re you natural or cruising before this ?

I personally would give it another 3 weeks. Let the body adapt to the hormones n any weight gain

If it doesn’t come back down then tel at 20mg maybe a gd idea tbh.

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[Hilly]

6-9mg of boron would make the most sense here

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[Hilly]

Tren will do the following

Help prevent muscle loss – potentially it’s main tool in prep imo

Improve performance

Aid in fat loss a little bit.

These are the basics.

So for me it would be a case of :

How lean are you now ?
How hard are you pushing ?

Is performance still good ?
Is fat loss good ?

For most there is just no need at this far out imo.

Unless your body fat is very very high n your having to push harder than normal at this Stage then I see some justification.

However if you feel your only going to run 100mg ever during prep You could argue 2 things

1 – at that dose sides / body stress will be low so could happily run it through out

2 – save the strongest drug for when you need it and are pushing hard.

Personally if I was to use just 100mg I would run for the last 12 weeks when food starts to drop a little lower n expenditure may be getting higher

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[Hilly]

This cycle , is when someone gets super excited reading what these compounds can potentially do, then thinks if I take them all together I will explode with muscle

Reality – a week on 50mg dbol alone and you will feel awful !

Add in anadrol ontop and you may feel poorly

Add superdrol ontop and you defo will feel poorly

Trust me, been there, done that , learnt that the best cycle is the one that has you feeling absolutely incredible – appetite / Mood/ joints / breathing / fitness / stamina – if you want to grow , you need to be able to train the best you ever have and eat the best you ever have . This cycle will never , ever , ever let you do that

This is cool to me that you responded! Love your videos and training style, brother.

I forgot the addition of cardarine to keep blood sugar down.

If I lower the orals to 10mg superdrol, 25mg dbol, 50mg anadrol, how would you feel about that? The idea here is to get to different pathways using lots of different compounds.

I want to put on at least 20 pounds of “stage weight,” and the rest is expected to be fat and water.

Just wondering. Am a college football player trying to get bigger. Not worried about drug testing cuz dIII

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Still a big no imo.

This isn’t going to give the extra muscle you think.

As you won’t be able to perform or eat imo.

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[Hilly]

You have tanked your Estrogen I would say.

Get bloods done ASAP to see what’s going on imo.

Check test level to

Drop Adex ASAP

Still get bloods tho

What would you recommend to get it back up any vitamins or remedies I could try? [/quote]
You could in theory up testosterone just short term in next jab to spike estro.

Personally I would just wait for body to normalise

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[Hilly]

Sounds like your meal plan may be set up wrong and not designed to try n help suppress were you are most hungry

You may well need to work in your will power to

You not exactly on low food

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You won’t make it passed week 5 imo. Water retention/ BP etc will just ruin your.

Can I ask

Your cycle history.

We’re you got the idea for this from.

What are your thoughts behind this being a good idea ?

As this is a good chance to see we’re you are potentially thinking incorrectly

Or your understanding of things may be a little mixed

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[Hilly]

This is a great alternative..

https://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com/product/plant-based-vegan-protein/

(I recommend the Banoffee Sundae!)

I use this as my only protein powder n have done all year

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[Hilly]

Big pct thread top
Of this section

Agree with ryan to. However I would half that aromasin dose. Seems. Little high for me.

Same with nolva

If fertility is the focus get hmg in from the start.

It has 0 impact on lh and directly stimulates fsh which drives sperm production.

This is an 8 week process full turn around so don’t wait

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[Hilly]

i had 2 days after the show of eating what i fancied and honestly ate way too much….

all drugs have been dropped except for 150mg test E weekly and 25mg proviron daily….

food has been consistent since then 300g protein, 600g carbs, 50g fat bar 1 off plan meal on the weekend….

steps at over 15k per day, 0 cardio and training push pull rest legs rest ….

keeping as active as i was on prep just minus the cardio.

morning of the show i was 88kg, this morning i was 101.7kg… my lower legs are very very swollen and sore as are my forearms almost feels like they are about to burst out of the skin…

What was carbs into the show.

Last 3-6 weeks

As unless it was 3-400g daily why on earth have you jumped to 600g

After 2 days of drastically over eating.

You need to keep water high
Food clean
Drop carbs

Get that water off

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[Hilly]

You have tanked your Estrogen I would say.

Get bloods done ASAP to see what’s going on imo.

Check test level to

Drop Adex ASAP

Still get bloods tho

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[Hilly]

Upper body looks good.

Can’t see legs obv.

Not sure what your asking here n post is very hard to read

Pre bed gh imo Is best timing for growth.

Cycle could be ok if you get on good with these drugs.

No doses stated ?

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