[Hilly]

Nothing looks terrible to me here.

Most people using hormones at elevated doses plus the type of diet n training we follow will see these numbers.

Liver looks fine

HDL – more good fats and TrainedByJP love heart may very well help here

Kidneys – urea is high but this is pretty common in this game.

eGFR etc is fine

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Make sure salt is high. 4-6 grinds with each meal I find sufficient for most plus the same pre n post.

5g taurine for sure as Clare says – very important when using Clen

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Looks to me like you Havnt recovered properly yet.

Testosterone is very low.

Did you get fsh n LH checked. I can’t see these.

Id want to check this first.

Otherwise coming off was a waste

Thank you guys for the feedback.!

Yea sex drive is very low but I actually feel really good in the gym strength has been coming up each week but I know progress could be better of course.

I don’t believe I got those checked unfortunately I wasn’t sure what all I needed to get done.

I have a phone appointment with the doctor on Monday maybe I can schedule another blood test? Or what would you do from this point going forward?[/quote]
Personally the idea of pct is to recover your hpta axis.

Now you have started this journey I would want to try my best to do this

If it doesn’t happen you can then accept you may always needs Trt n not go through this again

But bloods are the only way to know

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Plans from 2moro are start to tidy up n drop a little bodyfat as baby lands n during those initial weeks.

Training will be 3-4 days a week.
Push
Off
Pull
Off
Push
Legs

Cardio from 20 to 30 mins fasted

Cruise dose – waiting on bloods back as feel my Estrogen may be to low

So this may get amended to 200 test / 100 primo to keep Estrogen up

Calories will sit at 4K training days as is 5 meals
3500 rest days – 4 meals

Am also managing severe tendon issues again at elbows. Drives me crazy this but I think this is Estrogen related

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I drop to 25mcg n drop other fat burners like Clen out

Then when I pull the t3 out I will re add Clen to cover the potential lul in thyroid until it comes back.

Usually 4-8 weekd

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People use to see common doses of 120-200mcg a while back but this is imo not needed at all.

However I hear people still do

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@Hilly how do you do with client in my age with Clen? 2 months out? Do you push up to 80 or higher if needed in that time frame?

I’m more than happy to work clients up to 120mcg if needed.

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@Ryanpetford – Hi Ryan,

Apologies for the comment on an elder discussion.

May I just ask a quick question, in relation to the HMG for 2 weeks 3x p/w would you look to take this after the clomid serm therapy has stopped?

and take the HMG on its own with no other compound along side it

Totally depends.

If your number is
The only issue then yes you keep running this

If test levels recovered etc

If not you need to keep on the hcg or clomid

If it’s motility or morphology issue there are other supplements needed

Check my log and igtv video on how I fixed my sperm

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Imo drop down to a higher cruise dose

150-200mg test
100-150mg primo

Work on getting leaner n stay leaner n tightening that skin.

Then add the drugs in for prep n grow into it.

I don’t think getting bigger will hell you on stage if you have that loose skin

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I can’t see the results

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Are you using an a.i? And what was previous cycle ?

I might add I have always had ed issues previous to any cycles, so have often supplemented cialis which does help [/quote]
I was just going to say I am sure this is an ongoing thing.

Your Estrogen is on the lower side.

I would bump the test up
A tad. This could be the issue.

Go to 150mg
Add boron in 6mg daily.

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For me it helps with my Bowel movements so it’s a must. Plus I don’t eat a lot of veg in off season

If your getting 5 portions a day they you may not need it.

For me based on ingredients and cost it’s defo worth using

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I keep it in unless it starts to effect digestion

Most people find they need this peak week.

However for some with slower gastric transit or other issues they may need to switch to a more soluble based fibre as dehydration to the stools is the issue

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You get a wider variety of types of fat, alongside different micronutrient content by including different sources in your diet. However if you don’t like eggs then there are still plenty of options, such as salmon, avocados, various seeds, nuts, macadamia/coconut/olive oil that you could include and still benefit from eating.

These would all be my choices

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I would add 75g carbs – some to pre meal and some to beef meal

Rest days I would add carbs to meal 4 and last meal
75g split

As you train early

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