[Hilly]

This all looks fine to me.

Personally I would have Mots C at 1mg daily on wake simply due to personal experience I find I get the Most from this

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The testosterone reading are what I would expect. Theres nothing I can see thats out there.

Your E2 reading is lower that what can be tested is what your saying? I would expect for masteron to be keep E2 low. Are you having any low E2 symptoms? How do you feel?

Is it a trusted source? it may not be masteron and maybe EQ if theres not a reading for E2….xq

Hi Nathan and Peter. Thank you for your replies! The forums are so laggy for me at this moment, not sure why.

I was on a different brand of Masteron 2 weeks ago which I know is legit. The current brand I have just used for 2 weeks and not sure if it’s Mast or EQ. I did the blood test end week this week.

I do feel low estrogen sides, my skin is really dry, my hair is really dry too. If you were me, what would you do? I reckon keep the mast dose the same and just raise test? Thank you!

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The short term change in mast lab wouldn’t do this imo.

So if you tested the Masteron prior to this yourself and no it’s Masteron then this is very strange tbh.

As unless we are reading results wrong this is showing your E2 is crashed

However the fact it’s just <88 is also strange. I don’t see the reads usually 88 or nothing.

Only thing to do is bring testosterone up further and lower Masteron

Your not taking anything else at all

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Thanks all for the productive feedback. Without wanting to sound arrogant, I wasn’t necessarily asking if I should do this or not. It was more if there is any physiological reason why this would be counterproductive and from what I have gathered, this does not seem to be the case. I like thinking a little outside of the box instead of following what others do. There is merit to watching what others have done, but at the same time over the years we have learned that there is always room to improve what was done. Comparing PEDs and health management from the 90s to nowadays, training principles etc. Probably people thought the guys that first suggested lower volume approaches when it comes to training were just lazy. Nowadays seems like most follow such an approach.

A little more context: Approach was a 3 days on 1 day off with 15 working sets per workout, averaging 78 working sets per week give or take. Training duration was 90-105 minutes including warm ups, set ups etc. Now volume has been dropped to 11 working sets per workout and duration 55-70 minutes on average. I believe focus and intensity is an issue with most people which is why when programming training a great way to prioritize lacking bodyparts is to place them early in the workout and place bodyparts that don’t need as much improvement later because everyone will perform better earlier in the workout. That was the reason I wanted to keep the workouts as short as possible to make each set as productive as possible. Intensity during training has definitely not dropped. If anything it increased because of the reasons I just mentioned. At this volume I feel that I recover just in time for the next session but that could be because I am in a surplus right now. During prep (I believe I should be somewhere around 120kg on stage at 6’1) rest days will definitely need to be reintroduced or volume per session lowered even further as recovery capacities with increased output from steps/cardio and reduced food will make the current training unsustainable for anyone with any appreciable amount of muscle.

there is always merit in trying other things for ourselves and finding our what works best for us as this is key to success.

however there is just as much merit in looking at those that have made the mos progressive over prolonged periods of time and what they did to get there.

In general there are not man that train every day of the week and I cant remember the last time I saw any one say they do this with good effect but that does n to mean you cant or won’t. As I say if this suits you and its working then keep pushing that until it stops working 🙂

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As others have said way over thinking here IMO and there is does seem to be a big trend of this in your posts to be honest.

the 3 hour sessions also runs in line with this to.

what are you doing for over 3 hours man

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yes it is possible, I agree with Meg

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Bloods are back guys. Could i have some advice please 🙂

Haemoglobin 160 g/L(Range: 130 – 180)

Haematocrit 0.467 L/L (Range: 0.4 – 0.52)

Red Cell Count 4.67 10^12/L (Range: 4.4 – 6.5)

MCV 100.0 fL (Range: 80 – 100)

MCH X 34.4 pg (Range: 27 – 32)

MCHC 344 g/L (Range: 320 – 360)

RDW X 10.8 % (Range: 11.5 – 15)

White Blood Cells

White Cell Count 6.7 10^9/L (Range: 3 – 11)

Neutrophils 4.2 10^9/L (Range: 2 – 7.5)

Lymphocytes 1.57 10^9/L (Range: 1.5 – 4.5)

Monocytes 0.76 10^9/L (Range: 0.2 – 0.8)

Eosinophils 0.15 10^9/L (Range: 0 – 0.4)

Basophils 0.020 10^9/L (Range: 0 – 0.1)

Clotting Status

Platelet Count X 143 10^9/L (Range: 150 – 450)

MPV 9.5 fL (Range: 7 – 13)

Kidney Health

Urea X 11.8 mmol/L (Range: 2.5 – 7.8)

Creatinine 116 umol/L (Range: 60 – 120)

eGFR 74 ml/min/1.73m2 (Range: ≥ 60)

Liver Health

Bilirubin 6 umol/L (Range: < 22)

ALP 52 U/L (Range: 30 – 130)

ALT 44 U/L (Range: < 45)

GGT 19 U/L (Range: < 55)

Proteins

Total Protein 69 g/L (Range: 60 – 80)

Albumin 45 g/L (Range: 35 – 50)

Globulin 24 g/L (Range: 19 – 35)

SHBG X 17.6 nmol/L (Range: 18.3 – 54.1)

HbA1c 31 mMol/Mol

Cholesterol Status

Total Cholesterol 3.56 mmol/L (Range: < 5)

LDL Cholesterol 2.04 mmol/L (Range: < 3)

Non HDL Cholesterol 2.62 mmol/L (Range: < 4)

HDL Cholesterol X 0.94 mmol/L (Range: > 1)

Total Cholesterol : HDL 3.78 Ratio (Range: < 6)

Triglycerides 1.27 mmol/L

Inflammation

CRP HS 0.43 mg/L (Range: < 3)

Gout Risk

Uric Acid X 160 umol/L (Range: 200 – 430)

Iron Status

Iron 21.3 umol/L (Range: 10 – 30)

TIBC 58 umol/L (Range: 45 – 81)

UIBC 36.7 umol/L (Range: 12 – 43)

Transferrin Saturation 37 % (Range: 25 – 45)

Ferritin 130 ug/L (Range: 30 – 442)

Vitamins

Folate – Serum 18.8 nmol/L

Please note: A Folate result between 7-13 nmol/L may

indicate a possible Folate deficiency.

(Range: > 7)

Vitamin B12 – Active >150.0 pmol/L (Range: > 37.5)

Vitamin D 153 nmol/L (Range: 50 – 250)

Thyroid Hormones

TSH 2.730 mIU/L (Range: 0.27 – 4.2)

Free T3 3.3 pmol/L (Range: 3.1 – 6.8)

Free Thyroxine 14.8 pmol/L (Range: 12 – 22)

FSH X <0.3 IU/L

LH X <0.3 IU/L

Oestradiol X 264.0 pmol/L

Testosterone 22.50 nmol/L

Free Testosterone – Calc. X 0.6389 nmol/L (Range: 0.198 – 0.619)

Testosterone : Cortisol 0.069 Ratio

Free Androgen Index X 128 % (Range: 35 – 92.6)

Prolactin 188.0 mIU/L (Range: 86 – 324)

Adrenal Hormones

DHEA Sulphate 8.00 umol/L (Range: 4.34 – 12.2)

Cortisol 325 nmol/L

Cortisol Reference range

6-10am: 133 to 537 nmol/L

Midnight: <150 nmol/L

(Range: 133 – 537)

Autoimmunity

Thyroglobulin Antibodies 93.8 kIU/L (Range: 0 – 115)

Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies 27.5 kIU/L (Range: 0 – 34)

Using 6 pumps daily of testo gel + 75mcg Levothryoxine. All doctor prescribed. Long story short, i dont feel myself still , mood swings , short tempered , sleep is hit and miss , i can tell my estro is high as i feel puffy some days, and nipple symptoms etc.

The medichecks doc reports says to increase Fish oils etc for low HDL ( i use 4 caps Omega Pro ATM , will up to 6).

All advice Welcome, open to using injectables if needs be. Thanks all Greg

I would as we said address this with your doc as your TRt set up needs adjusting – E2 is to high which on top of the way you feel being off your likely to hold more fluid etc.

t3 is also bottomed out – I would want to address this – upping t4 and adding some selenium to see if this helps with conversion.

omega I would increase but for most this is as good as HDL will get when on TRT.

Creatinine and urea elevation will likely be from high protein intake, creatine intake and possibly training close to bloods being drawn

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I also fully agree with clare, Unless i am doing a 1 week reset were I pull food back hard just to rest digestion I would always taper food back up pretty carefully.

It depends how big the pull is. for example

if I went from 6000 to 4000kcal my first move would be to build back up to 4750kcal

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The testosterone reading are what I would expect. Theres nothing I can see thats out there.
Your E2 reading is lower that what can be tested is what your saying? I would expect for masteron to be keep E2 low. Are you having any low E2 symptoms? How do you feel?
Is it a trusted source? it may not be masteron and maybe EQ if theres not a reading for E2….

100% agree with Nathan here

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I would always favour GH mainly for almost all, you get the increase in systematic IGF levels plus other benefits.

IGF I see as a very advanced step for those trying to manipulate certain things or push an extra level and happy to spend the money on something that is very debated on how much you actually get from it

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Friday – rest day

12k steps done

5 meals in.

Pull 2moro in UF durham with a client and then legs Sunday

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Thursday – training day with a late night arm session as I met with a client to check in in person

steps. -12k

meals in – 5

Training – Arms

EZ cable push downs SS EZ cable curls – 4 x 8-12
OH rope extension XX preacher machine – 4 x 8-12
Crucifix PD – 3 x 8-10
1 arm preacher curls – 3 x 8-10

very short session as was time restricted and being mindful of tendon issue however once again they feel better today which makes me very happy indeed

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Wednesday – Training day and into doing all body parts just 1 x per week

steps – 14k

meals in – 6

training – delts/chest – all sets are hard work sets just last one to failure

1 arm cable laterals – 3 x 8-10
Upright rows – 3 x 8-10
incline chest press – 3 x 10-12
seated chest press – 3 x 8-10
Standing DB laterals – 3 x 10-12
pec dec – 3 x 12-15
Db front raises – 2 x 12-15

good session, pump was great. I am going to run this this week and next and asses before I write something up properly and stick to it for the rest of the year

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I was on 2438 cal 179P 315C 40F training day 49F rest (without fishoils) for a couple months and before that was on even higher cals 2600-2700 (I’m 18 76kg 182cm) but yeah haven’t got bloodwork in a bit so might go again soon but it currently does feel like I’m chasing my tail year on year and not seeing progress as I should

You are only 18 bud.

Remember genetics play a huge part / roll here and some just progress slower than others and then the odd person progresses quicker than those on AAS

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If you have been on cycle I personally would just drop down to 200-250mg test split daily. Maybe 25mg proviron if needed for E2 management

Use the cruise phase to cut fat off then get back to growing.

IMO for most this is a much more direct way than trying to drive a recomp.

Test 300/EQ 300 will crash most people’s E2 hard

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in the majority of people both EQ and primo will reduce E2 and it will show on blood work yes. How much is of course individual to each person.

It is masteron that blocks it from binding to the receptor but does n to directly lower

Thank you, much appreciated,

I tend to hyper respond to test, low doses get me to high blood levels, problem is estrogen rises aswell, should i still run 1:3 ratio with test and eq/primo or do you advise upping the eq ?

I plan a 600mg test, 300mg eq

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I would go the test / EQ based on this info as you laid out.

Potentially first 2 weeks just run

300mg test 300 EQ

300mg test 300 eq

600mg test 300 eq

Repeat

Give EQ a little time to take effect [/quote]

Could frontloading eq be an option here, lets say 600mg for the first two weeks then back to 300mhg as it takes a ton of time to kick in[/quote]
Yes it’s defo another option. It can just cause a bit of an unpredictability but both options can work.

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