[Nathan]

Hey bud, not my preferred option but if your going to go for it then more power to you.

PCT protocol

Your plan is reasonable, Starting HCG 4 weeks after last injection makes sense given Test E’s half life, that gives enough clearance before restarting stimulation. 5000IU/week split M/W/F is on the higher end, I dont see a need to go above 3000IU total per week for HPTA priming, higher doses can actually desensitise Leydig cells over time if run too long or too high, so 3 weeks at that dose should be fine as a bridge rather than a standalone recovery tool. Running Clomid and Tamoxifen together isn’t necessary for me, they work on the same receptor and doubling up doesn’t add much benefit, just adds more sides. Most protocols pick one, Clomid tends to be favoured in an old school approach for its stronger LH stimulation, though I hate the sides so prefer Tamoxifen for milder sides. Worth considering

Supplements and lifestyle

• Sleep is the single biggest lever you have, poor sleep tanks LH pulsatility more than almost anything else
• Zinc and Vitamin D if deficient (get bloods first, don’t just supplement blind)
• Managing stress and cortisol matters, chronically high cortisol directly suppresses the HPTA
• Some people find Tongkat Ali supportive
• Keep alcohol minimal during this window, it’s directly suppressive to test production

Training

Reducing volume slightly rather than intensity is generally the better trade off. Low testosterone primarily hits recovery capacity, so if you keep volume too high you’ll dig a hole you can’t climb out of. Frequency can stay similar, just trim total weekly sets by maybe 20-30% and prioritise compound movements over accessory work. Intensity (effort per set) doesn’t need to drop much, it’s more about total recoverable volume.

Diet and body composition

Fat gain is still calorie driven, that doesn’t change. What changes is partitioning, low testosterone shifts the odds toward fat storage and away from muscle retention at any given calorie surplus, so the margin for error shrinks. Practically: eat at maintenance or a very slight deficit rather than surplus during this window, keep protein high (it becomes more important for preserving muscle when anabolic signalling is reduced), and don’t chase a deficit aggressive enough to add further stress on top of an already suppressed system.

Realistic timeframe

This depends heavily on total suppression time, dose history, and individual HPTA resilience.

• Some initial LH/FSH response and symptom improvement often shows within 6-12 weeks of PCT
• Testosterone levels climbing back toward a functional range can take 3-6 months
• Full recovery to pre-blast baseline, if it happens, can take anywhere from 6 months to 1-2 years, and for some men after multi-year blast/cruise use, levels never fully return to where they started

Hope that helps

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[Nathan]

293.8lbs this AM slowly ticking down

Unreal upper session today really enjoying my new split current set up for anyone interested

Test E 300mg/wk
Primo 100mg/wk
Mast E 100mg/wk
DHB 70mg/wk

GH 7.5iu daily split 5iu PM & 2.5iu fasted
T4 100mcg
Telmisartan 40mg
L-carnitine 500mg fasted
SLU 20mg oral & 1200mcg split fasted & preWO
BAM15 25mg AM & PM
GC-1 100mcg fasted
MOTS-C 5mg M/W/F 4 weeks on 4 off
5 amino 2mg fasted
SS31 2mg fasted
BPC & TB 1mg daily
Klowblend 2.5mg daily

TD 4041 kcals 525g carb
NTD 3600 kcals 400g carb

As of next week 30 mins spin bike fasted + 10k steps daily

lower & Arms
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It defo looks like a cheap gear thing to me bud. Id come down to a very lean Bodyfat set point and start the push up again personally

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Had a decent sleep last night – caught back u a little 17 check ins today and then a little nap before preworkout meal so I feel like Im getting back online now.

Great arms & lower rehab session today

SA preacher x 3
SA tricep pushdown x 3
incline DB curl x 3
EZ skull crusher x 3

Then my rehab work which is coming on very nicely now. Felt stronger on adduction and ham curl today and took a progression to 12.5kg DB on b stance RDL

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Bak to it today 24 check ins and a new starter and a new enquiry with a consult call thrown in for good measure.

Ive flagged today with the jet lag been tough but Im back on top of work and should be good to go for training tomorrow. lower & arms

I was 294lbs this AM post flight. I would imagine a decent shift in BW over the next few days especially with sleep improving

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s20 physique buddy currently

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DHB will mostly crash….I think DHB 10-20mg daily is enough and then as you suggest switch in primo & Mast

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Bak to it today 24 check ins and a new starter and a new enquiry with a consult call thrown in for good measure.

Ive flagged today with the jet lag been tough but Im back on top of work and should be good to go for training tomorrow. lower & arms

I was 294lbs this AM post flight. I would imagine a decent shift in BW over the next few days especially with sleep improving

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Back hat me after 24 hours travel. Time to get back to routine, life and work and spend some time with the family 🫶🏼

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couldnt have set it better from what James did

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Last full day in Vegas today then Im home tomorrow. Ive let Chloe have a little downtime last night and today, as shes been dieting 18 weeks and mentally for her to switch off is needed or she will be burnt out with potentially 12 more weeks of dieting remaining.

Now with certain athletes I wont allow this, but If I allow them this flexibility and they go up 10+lbs they have got to be aware that is there responsibility to not take the piss and they will have to put the graft in to get back to baseline bodyweight as quickly as possible to put this right. Or they can only blame themselves. You as a coach have to know which client can do this and which can’t….Also which clients need this and who dont. Everyone is an individual and I have no set rules on this.

We went for steak and chips at Paris hotel last night and then first watch this AM

We are having a bbq at the house this evening then food will be brought back down more than half of what we carbed up on to wash off for a few days.

I have really missed Effie and Pheebs this is my first time being away from Effie since birth and I have had a few moments to myself this week where Ive been a little emotional and felt guilt like Ive never felt before.

So cant wait to get back to see them both

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Show day in vegas today for Chloe. Woke up on the money down a touch with 500g carbs in yesterday

So we got meal 1 in early after 1 litre fluid and a black coffee

100g salmon

80g rice

100g banana

30g dates

30g honey

2 rice cakes

10g nut butter

So a heavy meal 6:30am stage time is 11am to Hold the look. Then just a little top up at 8:30am 50g chicken 50g dates, 30g honey & 20g nut butter.

Super low volume to keep waist nice and tight. The work is done time to go and present.

We’re going out for food tonight and then training at Dragon’s lair tomorrow after breakfast.

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Day (I don’t even know) in vegas I’m very out of sync with time and sleep running off 11pm-2am sleep at the minute

But it’s all good! Chloe looks fantastic and I’m excited to present the new look.

Trained at dragons yesterday again. Posed and then feet up and chill and fed up.

Today is a back off day slightly but 1600g carbs have gone in over 3 days and the look is improving.

Went to torture gym this AM for a flush massage and then posed and we are just getting sorted for registration and tan before posing again at dragons this evening.

I’ve dropped from 297.3lbs the day before I flew to 289.1lbs this AM that’s since Tuesday so big shift in weight.

Me and hilly aren’t worried as I’m super busy and we can feed up post show Saturday and then back to the dog once I’m settled back home.

I have the busiest run of shows I’ve ever had as a coach over the next 8-12 weeks with multiple regionals, pro quals and pro shows with over 20 guys & girls competing

So it’s exciting to be apart of!

I will still be ticking my own boxes when I get back and making some more progress in the gym!

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I have no problems with torso and limbs it’s a different way of saying upper lower

Your just tagging arms on to lower and I have a lot of my clients do this as a preference I just call it upper lower.

The setup looks good to me I would just have 2 variants of this personally

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Don’t know what day or time it is Vegas time diff has smashed me been up since 3am doing check ins but 2nd full day here for Chloe’s USA debut

She’s looking fantastic and we are putting some more food in today based off her response yesterday. Maybe a touch lulled back by 50g carbs but we will assess after posing at dragons lair this AM

Trained upper with Rory’s at dragons yesterday and was a great session the gym has levelled up with kit since the last time out here and the vibe is still as good as ever.

Very busy with work and check ins staying on top of prep clients whilst here managing the 8 hour difference but we don’t miss.

Heading over for coffee and posing soon! Show is Saturday 11am pre judge 3pm finals excited to get her season off to a great start

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Do you have any pain with the bad leg still mate?

Also the 20mg Slu tabs, is it a noticeable difference from the standard 250mcg/300mcg ones?

Pain is a funny one bud it’s uncomfortable in ranges I’m only 5 months post surgery with a scheduled 14 month for as close to full recovery. So it’s more weak and uncomfortable still rather than pain as such.

Defo less pain than before the op as that was daily and very unstable I’ve lived with the pain for 2+ years so this is nice

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